Spinnekop Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 For instance.....stupid example.... USN Phedracut XT.Take the bottle. Nowhere on the bottle can you find an ingredient that is listed on drugfree sa that is banned.But I know there are banned stuff in it...... So how does an honost laaitie race and take supplementation? mmmmmm....
Spinnekop Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:24 AM, Lucky Luke. said: wtf is a mimms? Book given to pharmacists stating the exact ingredients of each medicine listed in SA.What's in it. Will it kill you. etc.
Lucky Luke. Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:26 AM, Spinnekop said: For instance.....stupid example.... USN Phedracut XT.Take the bottle. Nowhere on the bottle can you find an ingredient that is listed on drugfree sa that is banned.But I know there are banned stuff in it...... So how does an honost laaitie race and take supplementation?mmmmmm.... What's in there that's banned? No way there's still ephedrine or even pseudoephedrine in that stuff.
Lucky Luke. Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:27 AM, Spinnekop said: Book given to pharmacists stating the exact ingredients of each medicine listed in SA.What's in it. Will it kill you. etc. Thanks, sounds handy
Red Zone Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:26 AM, Spinnekop said: For instance.....stupid example.... USN Phedracut XT.Take the bottle. Nowhere on the bottle can you find an ingredient that is listed on drugfree sa that is banned.But I know there are banned stuff in it...... So how does an honost laaitie race and take supplementation?mmmmmm....A few chaps just had a little sweat right now after that bombshell. I seem to recall that after those two rugby players failed a drug test and were on USN products, USN made a statement that none of their products had banned substances.
dracs Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) On 2/9/2012 at 11:27 AM, Spinnekop said: Book given to pharmacists stating the exact ingredients of each medicine listed in SA.What's in it. Will it kill you. etc.there's also an iphone app from SA drug free sport... http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sa-drug-free-sport/id453431217?mt=8 Edited February 9, 2012 by dracs
Barend de Arend Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:19 AM, Spinnekop said: Who here race VA's and religiously check what they take in i.e. supplements, vitamins, medicine, food etc? When I raced VAs (I think my best ever was one top 10) I did do this. I told the doc. So I got sick, and the Doc is paging through the book: nope, you can't take that, next, nope, not that one, .... On the plus side, I've gotten off a few "normal" meds that had side-effects, so even though I don't race vets anymore, I still stick to that list unless I'm in hospital. I feel healthier. You'd be surprised what kind of crap is in over-the-counter allergy meds. (I think you can get into trouble in the open bunch too -- if they ever test)
Velouria Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:17 AM, Foe Fighter said: No wonder I got dropped. I hope the Cycletour will adjust my position and issue a new certificate to hang on my wall I don't think that was the reason you got dropped I have tippex and a permanent marker, no need to waste paper and reprint. Or just put a big -1 after your placing. 827th has a nice ring to it...
Lucky Luke. Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:32 AM, Foe Fighter said: A few chaps just had a little sweat right now after that bombshell. I seem to recall that after those two rugby players failed a drug test and were on USN products, USN made a statement that none of their products had banned substances. USN's official line on WADA prohibited ingredients in their products: http://www.usn.co.za/page/elite-sport/elite-athletes-12.html/ Clear as mud I say. Maybe a safe bet is to stick to brands like Hammer that have limited product ranges containing natural ingredients. Their stuff seems to be used by a lot of Elite athletes who would be subject to testing. Cadence Nutrition is probably also a safe bet.
Spinnekop Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 11:31 AM, Lucky Luke. said: What's in there that's banned? No way there's still ephedrine or even pseudoephedrine in that stuff. As far as I know the 2012 edition has one of those two in it. Beware boys....you WILL get tested positive!! And that is my point......Some of us out there are actually TRYING our best to stay within the rules but can't effectively know what is in what. Another example......nice good bag I just got from R4S.There are a COUPLE of Vitamins goodies etc in it......nothing on the labels......Will I get a positive should I take it?No one knows......
Spinnekop Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 12:00 PM, Lucky Luke. said: USN's official line on WADA prohibited ingredients in their products: http://www.usn.co.za...hletes-12.html/ Clear as mud I say. Maybe a safe bet is to stick to brands like Hammer that have limited product ranges containing natural ingredients. Their stuff seems to be used by a lot of Elite athletes who would be subject to testing. As a note....EPO is a natural substance??? Not so??Point being not all natural stuff are legal?!?!?!?? On 2/9/2012 at 12:00 PM, Lucky Luke. said: Cadence Nutrition is probably also a safe bet. The same guys now training Herman Fouche that tested positive? Ironically old Colonel is also involved there.......would have loved to get his thoughts now?!?!?!Money talks? No one knows.
andydude Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 8:58 AM, Jules said: He was, when he got busted, a member of the Cycle Lab 30+ race team. He won his category in the Argus last year, as well as some other races. Does that mean I move up one position?! Yeeehaaa
Lucky Luke. Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 12:24 PM, Spinnekop said: As far as I know the 2012 edition has one of those two in it. Ephedrine is not used any more and pseudoephedrine is now a scheduled drug so nothing over the counter and no supplements contain it. Guys were using it to make tik so it got canned as an over the counter ingredient. Thinz used to contain it but not for a few years now. Not sure about the rest of the ingredients but those two I am pretty certain of. It would be impossible for USN to use them.
Spinnekop Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 12:33 PM, Lucky Luke. said: Ephedrine is not used any more and pseudoephedrine is now a scheduled drug so nothing over the counter and no supplements contain it. Guys were using it to make tik so it got canned as an over the counter ingredient. Thinz used to contain it but not for a few years now. Not sure about the rest of the ingredients but those two I am pretty certain of. It would be impossible for USN to use them. As a side note on that.....it has now been downgraded again.You can get Sinucon OTC but in limited quantities. Great for flu but contains small amounts of Ephidrine. Enough to have it at DrugfreeSA as "permitted outside racing". So you can get it OTC these days again.Tik boys.....take note.
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 On 2/9/2012 at 12:43 PM, Lucky Luke. said: John sent me this to clear things up for you *popcorn*
Lucky Luke. Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 put the popcorn away, this discussion has been taken offline
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