LukeV-2 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 What is the story behind them? What is the improvement from normal wheels? - beside weight. Just curious..
Minion Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Depends on the wheel. More aerodynamic = faster. Higher level wheels like Zipps and HEDs get even more of an advantage in a cross wind and have been improved to handle well in those conditions too. If you do a search, you will find lots on info and reports from riders who have comfortably ridden the latest Zipps in Cape Town winds.
Cav' Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I,m also curious about it, want to buy a pair but its blooody expensive .Do you know of any reasonably priced wheels like these?
428 others Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I,m also curious about it, want to buy a pair but its blooody expensive .Do you know of any reasonably priced wheels like these? Yes! https://www.bikehub.co.za/classifieds/20603-zipp-404-tubbies/
RooiWillie Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Yes! http://www.thehubsa....pp-404-tubbies/ I think reasonable in this case did not mean R9500...
Niner Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 For good priced Deep section wheels look at CCD....on the hub
LOOK695 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I don't think that they are that much faster for the ave. cyclist and they will only really be lighter than "normal wheels" (eg Ksyrium SL 1485g) if you go the tubular route. Clincher deep section are in the region of 1500-1600g for a 60mm wheel (eg Zipp404). Will you ride faster with a more areo wheel set? On paper in a wind tunnel, yes. In a bike race you still need the legs to be competitve and the wheels won't make you a good racer
Li Mu Bai Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Sorry to disagree with you Look695, deep section wheels are definitely a LOT faster than standard. I have experience with 38mm carbon and 58mm carbon deep section rims.In climbing a normal wheelset at 1250-1450g is slightly better, but as soon as you hit the flats and downhills, the deep section rims perform far better. You are definitely able to go a lot faster and tuck a lot earlier than guys on 'normal wheelset'. even if they weigh a little more 1600g Trigon do a really nice set of deep sections locally, contact Willie on 084 453 8880. great value for money with a finish that is almost identical to Campag Bora Ultra2.Steering definitely becomes an issue in high winds, no matter what deep sections you ride. in CT high wind conditions it is still more comfortable to stick to normal wheels. My 38mm deep section carbon wheels were fine in the 2009 and 2010 argus when the wind belw its tits off... oh and beware of rider weight limitations. Zipp can only handle up to a certain weight and then twist. If you weigh 100kg, start looking for the FastForward Control stype, or Zipp Max, more spokes, more weight, but stiffer and will handle your mass. Edited February 17, 2012 by Rude
LOOK695 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Sorry to disagree with you Look695, deep section wheels are definitely a LOT faster than standard. I have experience with 38mm carbon and 58mm carbon deep section rims.In climbing a normal wheelset at 1250-1450g is slightly better, but as soon as you hit the flats and downhills, the deep section rims perform far better. You are definitely able to go a lot faster and tuck a lot earlier than guys on 'normal wheelset'. even if they weigh a little more 1600g Trigon do a really nice set of deep sections locally, contact Willie on 084 453 8880. great value for money with a finish that is almost identical to Campag Bora Ultra2.Steering definitely becomes an issue in high winds, no matter what deep sections you ride. in CT high wind conditions it is still more comfortable to stick to normal wheels. My 38mm deep section carbon wheels were fine in the 2009 and 2010 argus when the wind belw its tits off... oh and beware of rider weight limitations. Zipp can only handle up to a certain weight and then twist. If you weigh 100kg, start looking for the FastForward Control stype, or Zipp Max, more spokes, more weight, but stiffer and will handle your mass.I am speaking of personal experience on my regular training route. I have a set of Campy Eurus and set of Enve 65's and I don't go that MUCH faster. Sure they are slightly faster, but my argument is that they will not make you faster if you don't have the legs. I think that there is often the misconception that you will be a better rider with deeper wheels, where in controlled tests the differences are often only seconds. Edited February 17, 2012 by LOOK695
LOOK695 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I have not ridden a really light set of deep wheels like the 404 Tubulars. There are I believe you have the best of both worlds, climbing and flatroad wheels but have to deal with tubular tyres. I might change my mind then
'Dale Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) My deep section wheels "switch on" at about 40 km/h and rolling resistance is minimised by the aero feature of the wheels. Of course, ask any pro team, aerodynamics is one of the key elements to improve performance. Edited February 17, 2012 by ' Dale
'Dale Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 What is the story behind them? What is the improvement from normal wheels? - beside weight. Just curious.. Oe ja!They also look shaxxier. Another improvement too.
Chain-L Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I understand the aero advantage, but what advantage do they offer if you sit in a bunch like most of us following a wheel in front of you for 99% of the day? Wouldn't it make more sense to buy a light standard wheelset for the same price (AC Sprint, Ksyrium SL, R-SYS, etc) that will offer you a real advantage on the climbs? I completely understand the logic to get them for time trails and non drafting events, but not really for road racing in bunches. Same goes for aero frames in my opinion. Test the advantage of the wheels and the frames with someone (or a whole bunch) in front of you in a wind tunnel and I guess is the advantage will drop considerably... Edited February 17, 2012 by Chain-L
Chain-L Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 What is the story behind them? What is the improvement from normal wheels? - beside weight. Just curious.. They are heavier in general, so not an advantage there.
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