mullet Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 Mallo CGC direct fee is R150' date=' if you do it through the a club affiliated to CGC i think its then R75. Still bargain at the price. [/quote']Yeah sure Boet, what are the benefits again of having a license...less bank fees when they take cash from you....?
mallo Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I am amused at the attitude some cyclists has with regards licensing. Simple not happy with process then don't race. Not happy with the rules and regulations of a race organizer don't do the race. Why must you benefit all the time, yet you not willing to help your fellow cyclists improve their races for your sake. CSA/PPA/PROVINCES cannot exist without a membership base hence you the cyclist make up that base. We have a unique situation in SA sport where almost all the mass sport bodies enjoy full participation from individuals and all the moaners are the one's back week in and week out, why not be positive for once and support the structures been put into place to ensure we all benefit somewhere down the line and the sport grows. Look at athletics, all the provinces has a license system in place and ASA administers this at a small cost to the individual built into the set fee per year.Some time ago they went through this same process and today they have clubs which are well established and others falling by the wayside yet ASA manages to attract huge sponsorship from the corporate world because they have their house in order( Runners know what I mean) when I say their house is in order yet they secure huge deals for the athletes. Nedbank and ER24 sponsorship deals are in the millions hence a first place finish can earn you R100 000-00 down to tenth place at R10 000-00. Check the 21km race in Tswane early Feb for their prize list.( Nedbank series). Hence if individuals work through their clubs, provinces and CSA I am sure the same can be achieved in cycling as you need a strong willing committee to steer the ship through tough times and I am sure with Mnr COO doing his thing at CSA this can be achieved if given the chance by us cyclists.
Man with no name Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 Mallo CGC direct fee is R150' date=' if you do it through the a club affiliated to CGC i think its then R75. Still bargain at the price. [/quote']Yeah sure Boet, what are the benefits again of having a license...less bank fees when they take cash from you....? Didn't you get that credit card thingy with the pretty picture on. I painted mine red and flash it to Bulk Pack Meat in the races....
mullet Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 so Marsh-mello, I still fail to see why I need to pay lic fee - I pay the entry-fee for the race ( I thought the prize money comes from that, along with the main sponsor, like Nedbank or what whoever) I say let the top 100 pay license fees and leave the rest alone, we paid our bucks, we want to ride...and are the majority group.( we A tha people.. eish) I only see the need if I want to compete at a professional level....taht's all. And perhaps if my children want to compete as part of their preference in sport one day.
Kobie Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I tried to register - Entered my e-mail address twice, submit, but then gives me a message about entering my details. Will they send me an e-mail with my password? How long did you wait for it?.
mallo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Morning Mullet Quite simple if you do not want to be part of the structures then do the honourable thing and ride in the open unseeded group with the social riders, problem solved. The license fee handed over to CSA has to cater for the sport in it's totality from paying staff, rent phone bills, stationary etc ( Where do you think CSA gets this funds from?) Clubs are formed with different ideas and goals in mind from the simple club where the riders just enjoy cycling together on a formal basis to the Pro clubs who is intend on winning anything and everything on offer, then you get the type of club everyone wants to join but cannot because they only invite whom they want. CGC for example receives R75-00 per person affiliation fee per year( don't know numbers registered with them)They employ a full time lady in the office who takes crap from all of us and still gets the job done at the end of the day,(Salary paid from your affiliation fee) and they manage to have prize giving functions and awards,On the road they organize the interclubs at a reasonable entry fee. The BMX and Track commissions are one of the most updated ones in the country with your small share of affiliation paid. There is many more examples of what happens with the little they receive from the cyclists. Bear in mind I am also fighting with the officialdom on certain issues pertaining to how the sport is run, however one needs to provide solutions for the problems we create as well as most of the officials do this on a voluntary basis week in and week out.
bored girl Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Question: Doing a race sun, prize money only for licensed riders.....now cgc is opening only on mon and I haven't got my card so.....where can I get some kind of proof that I indeed paid and am waiting?
lowracer Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Mallo I dont mind "becoming part of the structure", however, I anyway ride in the unseeded group. I am never going to get any of the price money anyway. for most rides, when I am fit, I ride a recumbent. According to UCI rules, recumbents are banned, and if I take out a racing licence, they wont let me start with the racing crowd on my recumbent. Hey, I am extremely willing to pay full racing licence fees to be able to start on my recumbent with the seeded groups. (even if they will drop me in the first minute) Now instead of paying temporary licence fees, I have to become member of a club to pay my r30 for a RECREATIONAL licence. my personal opinion - add r5 per cyclist for every race. if you race a lot ... you pay a lot. if you do a few races during the year, you pay minimally. that way I dont have to bother with the nonsense with becoming a member of a club for the odd occasion I want to partake in a cycleride.
scotty Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 BG i think if you explain that to them they will understand, otherwise why not take out a day lic
lowracer Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 scotty, i dont think a day licence or cyclosport licence will allow you to get prizemoney, only a fullblown racing licence.
Strawberry Mama Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Question: Doing a race sun' date=' prize money only for licensed riders.....now cgc is opening only on mon and I haven't got my card so.....where can I get some kind of proof that I indeed paid and am waiting?[/quote'] Take your proof of payment (Receipt)
lowracer Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 correct me if I am wrong : racing licence - annual. specially seeded groups, can get prize money, can partake in provincials and nationalsgot to belong to a club/ppa cyclosport - annual. normally seeded groups, no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, got to belong to a club/ppa recreational - annual, open groups/open seeded, no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, just there for the ride, got to belong to a club/ppa day licence - single race. open groups, open seeded. no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, just there for the ride, dont have to belong to a club
scotty Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Lowracer thats pretty much as i understand it as well, except for the cyclosport where unless its one of the classics such as 94.7 and Argus you are eligible to ride in the lic category if your seeding qualifies and there is space.
Willehond Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 correct me if I am wrong : racing licence - annual. specially seeded groups' date=' can get prize money, can partake in provincials and nationalsgot to belong to a club/ppa cyclosport - annual. normally seeded groups, no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, got to belong to a club/ppa recreational - annual, open groups/open seeded, no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, just there for the ride, got to belong to a club/ppa day licence - single race. open groups, open seeded. no prizemoney, cannot partake in provincials, and nationals, just there for the ride, dont have to belong to a club [/quote'] With cyclosport you can still ride in the 'licenced' groups like a full licence except for the big multi-day tours and nationals/provincials. Well, that is my take on it and if you can get a straight answer out of anyone in a position of authority, please let me know. Nobody is 100% sure about this (despite their claims!)
Turboman Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Lowracer thats pretty much as i understand it as well' date=' except for the cyclosport where unless its one of the classics such as 94.7 and Argus you are eligible to ride in the lic category if your seeding qualifies and there is space. [/quote'] thats pretty much it... Full license ( Allows all Licensed racing and nationals, provincials etc )Ciclo ( allows only licensed racing NO natinoals and provicials)Recreational ( allows ONLY open seeded etc)
lowracer Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 but will cyclosport allow pricemoney, even if you start in the seeded groups? (not that i will get any)
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