Dumbass mountain bikers!!!!!

[Caerus]

Yes it can...thats wher constructive criticism comes in.

Calling the okes dumbasses and telling them to piss off and buy a road bike is purile

Anyone notice the bottle neck at the WC in PMB XC up the hill

And those are all pros

I agree he could have appooached the topic better, but I have to agree there is some substance in his rant. Organisers need to do more to prevent this, we all know that this is going to happen, so you plan the start with this in mind, it will not always be possible I understand that.

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Amazes me how the dumbasses paid exactly the same race entry as the OPer did .... giving them the exact same right to be on the trail as he does ....

My first rule of mtbiking ... "toughen the **** up"

[manbearpig]

Traffic at obstacles or single track is a chance to drop your heart rate not to get it higher. Chilll for a minute and you'll have more gas at the end. Seeing as we are all giving out our own pearls of wisdom , My first rule of mtbiking "Don't be a P03$"

[Danger Dassie]

Speaking of dumbass ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHX33Psbt20&feature=player_embedded

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10799497

[zerocalves]

Ok so before I start I need to state that I ride a mountain bike, love my sport and am, I believe very patent with non experienced riders, I wait and help wherever I can.

 

That being said I now have to rant about stupid slow idiots that buy a mountain bike and get off at the slightest little technical section or mud, it's a frikken mountain bike you tjops it's meant to get dirty and be ridden over the bump not walked!!!!!!!

 

 

This toy throwing session is thanks in no small part to all the weekend not-so-warriors that enter races to walk through the frikken south african bush rather than ride as "it's to technical and dirty". at the risk of being taken to pieces piss off and buy a road bike!!! Referring in particular to the bottle necks experienced this weekend at the USN cup race and other races.

 

Sincerely those that ride their mountain bikes.

 

you were obviously going for a podium place

[RockCoach]

Speaking of dumbass ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHX33Psbt20&feature=player_embedded

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10799497

Haha

 

What an idiot.

[scotty]

I doubt when the orgs plan a race they look to see how many bottlenecks areas they can introduce nor are they aware of what amount of riders will create this balanced against trying to get as many riders to make it more profitable.

 

Sure it will be nice if every MTB race has completely separate routes for long/med/short distances but they are also limited to where they can make tracks as a lot of times the route goes through pvt land plus there's extra cost and manpower required for things such as WP for each separate route.

 

Better seeding is remains the main answer, give track to faster riders when convenient for you, if you have to dismount keep clear of riders behind you, don't get abusive if someone interrupts your race by falling instead ask if they OK (99% of the time they grin and say yup) and don't push to the front and stand next to Burry Stander types, only to be eating their dust 1km into the race.

[ThePubSA]

Amazes me how the dumbasses paid exactly the same race entry as the OPer did .... giving them the exact same right to be on the trail as he does .... My first rule of mtbiking ... "toughen the **** up"

THink that's HTFU

[Tubehunter]

Amazes me how the dumbasses paid exactly the same race entry as the OPer did .... giving them the exact same right to be on the trail as he does ....

My first rule of mtbiking ... "toughen the **** up"

 

(Indeed it is HTFU)

 

This reasoning is flawed shellbean. "I paid my licence to drive on the road, so I could drive in the right lane until I die and screw anyone trying to get somewhere quicker than I am...." is just another way of saying this. Make much sense? Thought not.

 

There are a special bunch of posters here among us who refuse to accept that people walk ON the line when they decide they don't or can't ride a technical piece of track. No one is saying you may not walk, just do it so that people who actually ride can do that too! Is that rocket science? Do we need to draw pictures so that this is understood????

[rouxtjie]

(Indeed it is HTFU)

 

This reasoning is flawed shellbean. "I paid my licence to drive on the road, so I could drive in the right lane until I die and screw anyone trying to get somewhere quicker than I am...." is just another way of saying this. Make much sense? Thought not.

 

There are a special bunch of posters here among us who refuse to accept that people walk ON the line when they decide they don't or can't ride a technical piece of track. No one is saying you may not walk, just do it so that people who actually ride can do that too! Is that rocket science? Do we need to draw pictures so that this is understood????

Your reasoning is flawed, I am going to need a picture I am afraid...congestions in races are caused by a whole lot of people arriving at the same point where it flows into technical singletrack so 10 people arrive at this point where only 1 can pass through at a time at a slower speed, the first and second racers don't even dismount but the other 8 left can't float in mid-air so they dismount. By this time another 20 other riders have joined the party at the back and I am sure you can see where this is going. Your road scenario should rather include an accident where 2 lanes flow into 1 at a busy time of day. In this case, I will not let you though, you wait your turn like all of us. The way you solve this is by not travelling in peak times on the highway, so in a mtb race application, get a better seeding where there is less traffic at bottlenecks or sit back and wait your turn, I am sure the 20 seconds you wasted on the dismount and walking won't impact your result that much...and it impacts everyone so its all fair. Simple hey

[Tubehunter]

Your reasoning is flawed, I am going to need a picture I am afraid...congestions in races are caused by a whole lot of people arriving at the same point where it flows into technical singletrack so 10 people arrive at this point where only 1 can pass through at a time at a slower speed, the first and second racers don't even dismount but the other 8 left can't float in mid-air so they dismount. By this time another 20 other riders have joined the party at the back and I am sure you can see where this is going. Your road scenario should rather include an accident where 2 lanes flow into 1 at a busy time of day. In this case, I will not let you though, you wait your turn like all of us. The way you solve this is by not travelling in peak times on the highway, so in a mtb race application, get a better seeding where there is less traffic at bottlenecks or sit back and wait your turn, I am sure the 20 seconds you wasted on the dismount and walking won't impact your result that much...and it impacts everyone so its all fair. Simple hey

 

Nope your assumption is flawed rouxtjie. I couldn't give a rats @ss about my result as the be all and end all of riding. I don't race primarily to get a good time. I'm not going to win prize money, a sponsorship or some fancy accolade. What I do intend doing is to enjoy actually RIDING the route. I suspect the other posters agreeing with me share a similar sentiment. Who says people need to levitate or float or whatever you want to call it? If they are riding the section slower to accomodate everyone, so be it! Has anyone who replied agreeing with the OP suggested they even have a problem with riding technical sections slower??? Nope, the issue is people walking ON THE LINE, also assuming everyone behind them would like to join them on their mid ride HIKE! That is exactly and all that is the problem.

Edited April 17, 2012 by Tubehunter

[Iwan Kemp]

...people walk ON the line when they decide they don't or can't ride a technical piece of track. No one is saying you may not walk, just do it so that people who actually ride can do that too!

 

With you on that part. I don't mind people walking. It happens. But I too think most people who walk can actually afford to pop out of the trail for 10 seconds and let the people behind them through.

 

Was thinking about this over the weekend when I was participating in a duathlon. I was riding crap lines going up hill to let the faster climbers pass. I could've stayed on the best line and let them slog it out trying to overtake. But what would be the point of that seeing that I wasn't racing to win. But do you think those same riders would give me half a gap when walking some of the easiest single track out there. No chance. One guy came flying by only to cross over to my line 30m further and stop to check his rear wheel. Nice.

 

So no issue with them walking. No issue with everybody not being equally skilled. But at least be considered when getting off your bike.

Edited April 17, 2012 by The Crow

[rouxtjie]

Nope your assumption is flawed rouxtjie. I couldn't give a rats @ss about my result as the be all and end all of riding. I don't race primarily to get a good time. I'm not going to win prize money, a sponsorship or some fancy accolade. What I do intend doing is to enjoy actually RIDING the route. I suspect the other posters agreeing with me share a similar sentiment. Who says people need to levitate or float or whatever you want to call it? If they are riding the section slower to accomodate everyone, so be it! Has anyone who replied agreeing with the OP suggested they even have a problem with riding technical sections slower??? Nope, the issue is people walking ON THE LINE, also assuming everyone behind them would like to join them on their mid ride HIKE! That is exactly and all that is the problem.

Did you actually read my reply? The people walking ON THE LINE are not walking ON THE LINE because they like it or don't have the skills, there is congestion...nothing more, nothing less. Once again, when alot of people meet at speed at a single point aka bottleneck where everyone needs to slow down or meet their maker this will happen(the less traffic ie better seeded batches will experience less of this while the masses will take the brunt), like with traffic and an accident as I pointed out...it bunches up. Now if you start shouting track behind me in this case you will be ignored, end van prent but please feel free to pass me on the right or left. Other areas people walk...climbs, I have never had a problem in big races here (Nissan series) people move to the side if its a singltrack climb otherwise pass. The only time I have had to dismount is in congestion issues as described above where everyone was in the same boat and not because they are lacking skills.

 

Areas I have had to pass..(not dismount and walk) in the same races I had to simply call "passing right/left"...never fails

 

PS next time you get stuck behind someone ask yourself why is this person ahead of me?

Edited April 17, 2012 by rouxtjie

[Iwan Kemp]

The people walking ON THE LINE are not walking ON THE LINE because they like it or don't have the skills, there is congestion...nothing more, nothing less.

 

In part, yes. But I ride single track most of the time with more mates than the amount of people who get stuck in at a time in a race and we never walk. So "congestion" can only be part to blame. Unfortunately it starts when ONE person gets off to walk. Then it becomes one big cluster cause most often everyone behind will need to get off to walk.

 

PS next time you get stuck behind someone ask yourself why this person is ahead of me?

 

I do. It looks something like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OLz7M0LJ6IQ/TzGxAPFOUqI/AAAAAAAAAoQ/hwmLP6Nj2XY/s1600/why-god-why1.jpg

[rouxtjie]

In part, yes. But I ride single track most of the time with more mates than the amount of people who get stuck in at a time in a race and we never walk. So "congestion" can only be part to blame. Unfortunately it starts when ONE person gets off to walk. Then it becomes one big cluster cause most often everyone behind will need to get off to walk.

I hear you, with mates, riding some sweet trails, people have no business walking the lines, but then again I really have to think hard when this has ever happened(dismount waiting for someone to finish a section). Also I am not racing so if a bunch of guys want to walk something, so be it...live and let live

 

Exactly the point I am trying to make, most times the person or the first couple of people at the head of the congestion didn't even walk the bottleneck/ tech bit, they simply slowed down with the bunch having to dismount behind them and another behind them...They dismount not because of lack of skill but just because it is what it is...congestion. In this case people behind me must wait their turn like I do.

 

heheheh love the cat!

[Tubehunter]

rouxtjie, congestion is a different issue from people who simply can'twont ride a technical section who then decide in this fantastic stretch of singletrack to climb off and walk. But they then do this so that no one else can ride past them and everyone is now practising to do the otter trail. These are the people the OP is having issue with and I support his view.