Tokai: Personal safety

[Guest Omega Man]

I'm just glad the person was caught. I'm so sick and tired of crime in our country.

Edited October 1, 2012 by Omega Man

[(Deon)]

Hi Everyone, new to the forum. In reply to Ultimate Hubber, I caught the guy mentoned above. Yes, it did take place around 9:00 am in a packed parking lot. After I got him off the bakkie, I did kick him in the jaw, and dislodge a tooth or two.

He spilled some blood!!!

He was not alone tho. He had an accomplice in a cream bakkie. Below is a shortened version of what happened. I sent it off to the BKM Watch via a friend in Constantia.

Trying to get hold of the other cyclist who noted the number of the bakkie. It would seem as if these %$#&^% are now trying to target Tokai forest. I'm there every Sunday morning, and if I can get away in the week, I'm there in the evening.

As cycling is such a lonely sport its difficult to form proper security, but perhaps we need to talk to Chris at the Arboretum, and see what can be done over the longer term. Otherwise

Anyway, this dick didnt get away. Neither did he get her bag. I gave it back to the young lady. I have urged her to continue the case, and NOT to drop the charges. We'll see.

 

Regards

Mike

 

 

"Send this on to them:

 

 

On Sunday September 30. approximately 8:45 Am, a coloured, possibly black, male youth approximately 23 yrs old, in broad daylight did a smash and grab out of a car in the parking lot. He tried to make his getaway via an accomplice in a cream bakkie. Fairly new by the looks of it, or just had a major respray. He jumped onto the bakkie urging the driver to "go" "go" "go".

 

He was spotted breaking in by another cyclist who shouted at him. This alerted me, and I ran after them, and grabbed him off the bakkie. Along with my colleague, who helped I used the necessary force to restrain him, and he was arrested. The young lady got her bag back, minus a broken window.

 

The bakkie driver drove away, but his reg number was handed to the police.

 

They can use this in their incidence report.

 

 

Mike"

 

Thanks for the account of what happened Mike.

[(Deon)]

Nice, so you assault the guy by kicking him in the face, answering a crime with a crime.

 

I won't be surprised if these guys come back with firearms next.

 

Nishiki, none of us were there on the day, we do not know what was required to subdue the fellow nor we do not know any of the details other than what has been posted. Please keep in perspective that this was a person intent on escaping and could have used any method available to succeed in doing that.

 

The brazen method of breaking into a vehicle on a busy day just shows that they were thinking cyclists to be soft targets, clearly this was not the case in Tokai. You are correct however that this cannot be left as it stands and further preventative measures need to be put in place.. If this is what you were trying to say, then please, I ask you again to just come out and say it without the dramatics of trying a "Roast" on someone first.

 

I will be meeting with Sandra Hollermann to discuss the incidents and will report what is discussed.

[(Deon)]

I would have done exactly the same. In fact, I publicly state (read, "for the record") that I agree with Omega Man's original sentiments which our diplomatic friend 'Dale so spinelessly shot down. FFS 'Dale, take a stand. Reluctance to take a reasoned but uncompromising stand is what reduces us to spectators instead of men of principle and action. It's pathetic, in the true, dictionary definition of the word.

 

MH, I think you are referring to Nishiki and not 'Dale as you have posted. 'Dale was making reference to OM's anger towards the guy.

[Wet Ears]

I forgot - well done MIke - you deserve a Bells!

[nishiki]

Nishiki, none of us were there on the day, we do not know what was required to subdue the fellow nor we do not know any of the details other than what has been posted. Please keep in perspective that this was a person intent on escaping and could have used any method available to succeed in doing that.

 

The brazen method of breaking into a vehicle on a busy day just shows that they were thinking cyclists to be soft targets, clearly this was not the case in Tokai. You are correct however that this cannot be left as it stands and further preventative measures need to be put in place.. If this is what you were trying to say, then please, I ask you again to just come out and say it without the dramatics of trying a "Roast" on someone first.

 

I will be meeting with Sandra Hollermann to discuss the incidents and will report what is discussed.

Yes. I fully understand that the person was trying to escape.

 

Why is there no security in the parking lot though? Even someone informal?

 

Still, assaulting the person by kicking him in the face is less than satisfactory and in fact I'll bet our 'hero' will be answering to an assault charge in the near future.

 

Here's something to think about: now that this area has been noted for goodies, the crime will not cease without proper intervention and security measures. Our hero has also upped the ante, so as I've seen in the past in other areas, they will be back, and they will be prepared.

[LazyTrailRider]

MH, I think you are referring to Nishiki and not 'Dale as you have posted. 'Dale was making reference to OM's anger towards the guy.

Actually, I was referring to both (sorry, should have made that clearer). I was criticising Nishiki for advocating peaceful protest against criminals, and 'Dale for not taking a stand and criticising what I think was perfectly justified anger from Omega Man's side. Hopefully my complex explanation is not cause for even more confusion (Edit to fix a typo) Edited October 1, 2012 by MH for short

[Eddy Gordo]

What about a boom to the parking? this way entry can be controlled!

[(Deon)]

Yes. I fully understand that the person was trying to escape.

 

Why is there no security in the parking lot though? Even someone informal?

 

Still, assaulting the person by kicking him in the face is less than satisfactory and in fact I'll bet our 'hero' will be answering to an assault charge in the near future.

 

Here's something to think about: now that this area has been noted for goodies, the crime will not cease without proper intervention and security measures. Our hero has also upped the ante, so as I've seen in the past in other areas, they will be back, and they will be prepared.

 

"The brazen method of breaking into a vehicle ... You are correct however that this cannot be left as it stands and further preventative measures need to be put in place.. "

 

Thanks for taking the time to read. You had my attention on your first post.

 

The response to this needs to be quick! I have potential donors on the line wanting to contribute towards a security system, I must first meet with Parks who have already had an internal meeting on what has transpired over the last few days.

[(Deon)]

Actually, I was referring to both (sorry, should have made that clearer). I was criticising Nishiki for advocating peaceful protest against criminals, and 'Dale for not taking a stand and criticising what I think was perfectly justified anger from Omega Man's side. Hopefully my complex explanation is not cause for even more confusion (Edit to fix a typo)

 

I must be honest, I had already edited OM's line that offended 'Dale before 'Dale's post. I also thought it was not beneficial to the thread. (You understand OM..? I get that you have had enough of crime 'n all but for the thread it had to go...)

 

MH, there are some people who would rather aim an attack on the choice of words rather than the subject of the thread.. history has shown this to be true, just search for "Stopping at red lights"..

[JGR]

Yes. I fully understand that the person was trying to escape.

 

Why is there no security in the parking lot though? Even someone informal?

 

Still, assaulting the person by kicking him in the face is less than satisfactory and in fact I'll bet our 'hero' will be answering to an assault charge in the near future.

 

Here's something to think about: now that this area has been noted for goodies, the crime will not cease without proper intervention and security measures. Our hero has also upped the ante, so as I've seen in the past in other areas, they will be back, and they will be prepared.

Petty thieves go for low hanging fruit and soft targets - they will move on to more soft targets not beef up and try the same one. You were so quick to critisize TMB the other day, yet they are the very people who are trying to get extra security and organise awareness ect and now you call for security guards - why dont you stick to your hidden trails as not even the theives know about them so im sure you are safe

[Guest Omega Man]

I must be honest, I had already edited OM's line that offended 'Dale before 'Dale's post. I also thought it was not beneficial to the thread. (You understand OM..? I get that you have had enough of crime 'n all but for the thread it had to go...)

 

I'm pretty sure you owe me a multibeers now.

[(Deon)]

Understood!

 

I'm pretty sure you owe me a multibeers now.

[Guest Omega Man]

"The brazen method of breaking into a vehicle ... You are correct however that this cannot be left as it stands and further preventative measures need to be put in place.. "

Maybe Tokai can "trip forward" from this. Proper access control like at the picnic area? Maybe even use the same entrance with a clever re-route?

 

Why are you involved tho? Surely it's their responsibility to secure the area.

 

Sorry for the slight over reaction. I really really really really HAAAAATE crime. Who gives these people the right to take something that's not theirs? The nerve. And here we are squabbling over a turn of phrase and whether Mike was right in blikseming the thief.

Edited October 1, 2012 by Omega Man

[(Deon)]

It is, but it is my wish that Tokai stays safe for its users and for this I will do what I can...

 

PS, Gates and secured entrance has already been installed at the new parking.. just waiting for the switch in zones..

Edited October 1, 2012 by Pain or Shine

[Gadgetboy]

Yes. I fully understand that the person was trying to escape.

 

Why is there no security in the parking lot though? Even someone informal?

 

Still, assaulting the person by kicking him in the face is less than satisfactory and in fact I'll bet our 'hero' will be answering to an assault charge in the near future.

 

Here's something to think about: now that this area has been noted for goodies, the crime will not cease without proper intervention and security measures. Our hero has also upped the ante, so as I've seen in the past in other areas, they will be back, and they will be prepared.

Hmmm. Thanks for all the replies guys. Both neg and pos. To the negatives, I don't think this is the forum to start debating laws/religions/rights/wrongs.

However, Nishiki, you weren't there so your criticism is invalid...until it happens to you .... AND ... I'm no "HERO". Take back your insinuation.

 

There was another cyclist who two weeks ago had his head smashed in with a branch in same parking lot. He was unable to defend himself.

His bike was stolen. He received 6 stitches to his face. I'm in that forest at 6:00 am in Winter in the dark with my fiance'. Riding. I WILL at any time use force to subdue an attacker. I have never subscribed to the notion of "handing it over" and or turning a blind eye. I will NOT be a victim.

To defend one self and or to bring down an attacker, often, force IS required. The reason we have so many victims of crime, is due to people like you. To insinuate that I have commited a crime by kicking this cretin, puts you way off base.

I think you have a slightly skewed view of what the word defend actually means, but if you are happy to remain a victim because of your beliefs, thats cool by me. Just don't complain if you get hit one day.

 

For the record, it is alleged that this scumbag's accomplice in the bakkie did indeed have a gun!

Whats your point?

The scumbag in question was also armed with a screwdriver when I went for him. I was unarmed. Nishiki, If you would like to love your fellow criminal, feel free. I will continue to kick them in the head or wherever. It's MY bike/car/wallet/etc. As it is everyone else's property on this forum and elsewhere.

So don't criticize me for my actions. The lady in question has already had to fork out money for insurance excess, time wasted, trauma etc.

The thought of what else could have happened to her ghad she been there alone makes one shudder.

At least I was able to give her hand bag back to her. Intact. Her ID still there. Bank cards still there etc.

Try doing any transactions without your ID. It's just not possible today.

 

Mike