PPA vs Cyclelab hosting the league in CPT?

[ccc2]

i ran the winter league for the WPCA , charged R70 for seniors and R50 for lighties, paid prize money (not a lot but it was cash and not gift vouchers), never had more than a 100 riders and made a small profit of r1k±

[Eugene Oppelt]

@ ccc2

 

Will there be a Summa League will all these financial challenges?

Hope so...

[milky4130]

The entry fee:

 

PPA make no profit, this is what it costs for marshalls, commisaires, timing, thinkbike, etc etc... especially after PPA added a race when TDW was cancelled, they could have not done so as running it stand alone cost extra money which we as riders did not chip in more for, that was a straight up loss.

 

Timing: I'm sure will be streamlined in future.

exactly why I'm suggesting go back to having 5-7 PPA fun rides(tdw, wce, durbanville hs, etc) as part of the league then there is no additional costs for timing, marshals, toilets, etc, etc?

[milky4130]

i ran the winter league for the WPCA , charged R70 for seniors and R50 for lighties, paid prize money (not a lot but it was cash and not gift vouchers), never had more than a 100 riders and made a small profit of r1k±

I think, if you don't mind, should run the spring & summer Leagues as well as it sounds like you are the only one who has the riders interest at heart.

[Icycling]

PPA made no profit! I cannot say weather this is true or false at this stage - I have seen budgets where PPA would have made a small profit and like wise I has seen budgets where PPA would have made a lose.

 

But what I can say for sure is when I asked PPA to put R50 000 towards the series (to make it better) it was denied - yet PPA spend R220 000 on unit trust every month! I will be posting a poll on PPA and their funding allocation / model later today - just been hectic day!

[Capcha]

Interesting reading these comments. When i rode elites somes 20 years ago it was exactly the same as what i am reading here today. it would make more sence then of combining league into the longer distance fun rides as someone mentioned already. How much do you guys pay for each race as a matter of interest?

[ccc2]

I think, if you don't mind, should run the spring & summer Leagues as well as it sounds like you are the only one who has the riders interest at heart.

Do you want me to get old early???

 

@ ccc2

 

Will there be a Summa League will all these financial challenges?

Hope so...

the challenge for the ppa is to have a summer calendar - there are issues wrt races over OKW and Boyes Drive.

[ccc2]

exactly why I'm suggesting go back to having 5-7 PPA fun rides(tdw, wce, durbanville hs, etc) as part of the league then there is no additional costs for timing, marshals, toilets, etc, etc?

the ppa are losing funrides on the calendar and they don't look like they are attracting new events. i wanted klein joostenberg funride as an additional league race but was denied so the organiser pulled out completely.

[Eugene Oppelt]

 

 

the challenge for the ppa is to have a summer calendar - there are issues wrt races over OKW and Boyes Drive.

 

Yeah, heard that rumour.

Now, it's official.

[Eugene Oppelt]

 

 

There will only be a league if we as riders criticize constructively and support the racing no matter what. Then Yes, completely.

 

@ everyone: Quit whinging about the entry fees - they are what they are, everything is expensive - we have the best league in the country and this produces the best riders. it would suck race as A group, B group...

 

Zilla and/or ccc2,

 

Does the number of subscription to League determine whether it's a go-ahead or not?

If so, what is a feasible number?

 

[Obviously, the perception of season race fees determine who puts their money down.]

[babse]

Any chance of stars-in-training bunch being implemented again IF summer league goes ahead?

[ccc2]

Zilla and/or ccc2,

 

Does the number of subscription to League determine whether it's a go-ahead or not?

If so, what is a feasible number?

 

[Obviously, the perception of season race fees determine who puts their money down.]

 

i think the break even figure was 287, the wpca gave league the go ahead when it was around 150 because if a season is missed becos of low numbers then it will be so much harder to regain lost riders.

[Eugene Oppelt]

 

 

i think the break even figure was 287, the wpca gave league the go ahead when it was around 150 because if a season is missed becos of low numbers then it will be so much harder to regain lost riders.

 

Hmmm, okay.

Thanx for the info.

Hope there will be good buy-in for Summer.

 

:-)

[ccc2]

Any chance of stars-in-training bunch being implemented again IF summer league goes ahead?

ppa introduced them now they don't want them - too many complaints on a monday morning. i would like to introduce a similar group but with channels of discipline built in ie if a rider is riding in a dangerous manner then it must be noted and the rider must be disciplined. i noted that last year there were always complaints about certain riders from a certain school, get the ppa / race ref to approach the chairman/coach/manager and tell him/her his rider no ??? is riding *** don't allow him to ride until he has cleaned up his game. they word will quickly get out, shape up or ship out.

[milky4130]

Interesting reading these comments. When i rode elites somes 20 years ago it was exactly the same as what i am reading here today. it would make more sence then of combining league into the longer distance fun rides as someone mentioned already. How much do you guys pay for each race as a matter of interest?

between R200-R250 per race, I'm not prepared to pay that price for 1x hill climb which will probably last 10mins at most or to cycle a crit for 1hour where I can get the same for R30 @ Killarney on Wednesdays

[ccc2]

between R200-R250 per race, I'm not prepared to pay that price for 1x hill climb which will probably last 10mins at most or to cycle a crit for 1hour where I can get the same for R30 @ Killarney on Wednesdays

Elite entry fee for the series of 6 races was R990.

Paardeberg - 104 km, Lady Loch 54 km, Red Hill 4.2 km, WCE 85 km , DHS 95 km , Atlantis 77 km , it was a pity we weren't able to include Klein J'berg and that the Td Worcester was replaced by Lady Loch. no crits were raced.