Growth Hormone (HGH) - WADA and SA drug free sport why can I not use it?

[bontie]

Armstrong confided to several people that HGH likely contributed to his testicular cancer. This is cited in Hamilton's book and elsewhere. No doubt he overdid it when quite young, but all the same, unless you have the cash to pay for top-notch medical advice, and perhaps even then, it's seems like a dangerous road to go down.

 

You have a page ref, I missed that...

[Icycling]

A msg who I sent to Facebook friend (elite cyclist) who beat me a killarney tonight (before coming onto the hub) - ended in me stating I am past my sell by date, this is truly what I feel as a competitive cyclist - but that does not mean I do not want to live forever!

[Icycling]

You have a page ref, I missed that...

 

Read my earlier post of been 100% healthy - yup if you have cancer cell you not 100% healthy and HGH will possibly speed up the grow of these cell - I am not at all suggesting HGH is the drug of choice for all 40+ people. Each person would have to do their own research / tests! As I have not done all the test it is possible that this is not the drug for me to cheat death - but if it is.... I want it!!!!!!

[Icycling]

Turning the tables - why should I not be able to invite WADA / SA drug free sport to my house right now / ASAP to do a complete test which I will quite happily even pay for (all they will find is the what I have had to drink tonight). Then tell them I want to use drugs for longevity reasons as I am hitting the age of 40 - yup I did those test too - and I want to live comfortably for as long as possible - so please remove these drug from MY banned substance list?

 

Some may argue well you can afford these drug - I would argue - like anti retro's for HIV+ patients - the state should provide! Yup I am 1 of those suckers who pays tax for Zuma's house up grade of how much!!!???

Edited November 7, 2012 by Icycling

['Dale]

Let it go, man...

Grow old with grace, not a fight.

You can ride your bike for many more decades if you live healthily.

 

Anything 'meds' with the word 'hormone' must be considered with great caution.

[Lucky Luke.]

You have a page ref, I missed that...

 

Here's the post from the Clinic which mentions that it's in the Secret Race. Actually I'm reading it now but haven't found that part yet.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19280&page=6#edit1074910

 

Hincape testified that LA told him he quit the HGH after his cancer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/10/lance-armstrong-doping-case-live

 

If doping did cause his illness there is of course no way to prove this, and if so, then the steroids could easily have had a role in it as well. All I'm saying is, he got it, only he knows what he did pre-cancer, and he had his own suspicions. We also know from sworn testimony that he kept taking testosterone post-cancer.

 

Another poster mentioned cortisone. Here's a link describing later complications for one of LA's teammates on the US junior national team where the rider pins his medical problems on organised doping managed by the coach.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500164_162-284958.html

- pretty nasty.

 

Another one of these junior teammates also developed testicular cancer.

[Lucky Luke.]

US doping pioneer Lyle Alzado's experience with roids and HGH

 

Alzado was one of the first major US sports figures to admit to using anabolic steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness.^[10] According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated, “ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lb (140 kg) or jump 30 ft (9.1 m). But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way.^[11] ”

Alzado died at age forty-three. He is buried at River View Cemetery in Portland, Oregon.^[12]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado

[Icycling]

Let me put the question different way and that would be not mentioning specific drugs like HGH. If in due course a drug is made available which show properties of extending your life and quality of life as mentioned of Carte Blanche but it is banned in sports for performance reasons then surely for an age when you no long competing for "real money" or as a pro you should be allowed to use this drug for longevity while still competing at your local or age cat level even at world champs? It should not then be construed as an advantage because I certainly would hope everyone would be on the stuff as we all want to live for as long as possible and have a good life - health wise while doing it - right?

[Lucky Luke.]

Let me put the question different way and that would be not mentioning specific drugs like HGH. If in due course a drug is made available which show properties of extending your life and quality of life as mentioned of Carte Blanche but it is banned in sports for performance reasons then surely for an age when you no long competing for "real money" or as a pro you should be allowed to use this drug for longevity while still competing at your local or age cat level even at world champs? It should not then be construed as an advantage because I certainly would hope everyone would be on the stuff as we all want to live for as long as possible and have a good life - health wise while doing it - right?

 

These are big questions beyond the immediate scope of your thread

 

Is it in society's interest for the current crop of humans to live for as long as possible?

 

Personally, looking at some of the mangled, variably preserved and puffed up corpses over in hollywood, I'm not sure I want to go that route. I don't ever want to look like Sly Stallone or the governator.

 

It seems like humanity is approaching a crossroads in terms of what is considered to be a 'normal' aging process.

[eddy]

Turning the tables - why should I not be able to invite WADA / SA drug free sport to my house right now / ASAP to do a complete test which I will quite happily even pay for (all they will find is the what I have had to drink tonight). Then tell them I want to use drugs for longevity reasons as I am hitting the age of 40 - yup I did those test too - and I want to live comfortably for as long as possible - so please remove these drug from MY banned substance list?

 

Some may argue well you can afford these drug - I would argue - like anti retro's for HIV+ patients - the state should provide! Yup I am 1 of those suckers who pays tax for Zuma's house up grade of how much!!!???

 

You make a brilliant and novel argument that I am sure has not been made before.

 

The hub unfortunately cannot change the rule for you but, even though (unlike UCI) they have not yet created exceptions for individuals, I am sure the appropriate body will see the error of their ways and change their approach.

 

They can be reached here, please let us know when you have their go-ahead:

 

World anti doping agency (WADA)

Stock Exchange Tower

800 Place Victoria (Suite 1700)

Montreal (Québec) H4Z 1B7

Canada

[Icycling]

These are big questions beyond the immediate scope of your thread

 

Is it in society's interest for the current crop of humans to live for as long as possible?

 

Personally, looking at some of the mangled, variably preserved and puffed up corpses over in hollywood, I'm not sure I want to go that route. I don't ever want to look like Sly Stallone or the governator.

 

It seems like humanity is approaching a crossroads in terms of what is considered to be a 'normal' aging process.

 

As time has passed humans are already living longer - so I would answer yes to you question. Why not just let people die who have disease - why are animals treated with more dignity than humans - when it comes to need to be put down as they are too old? Only in I think 2 countries in the world you legally allowed to perform euthanasia on humans!

Edited November 8, 2012 by Icycling

[Eldron]

Let me put the question different way and that would be not mentioning specific drugs like HGH. If in due course a drug is made available which show properties of extending your life and quality of life as mentioned of Carte Blanche but it is banned in sports for performance reasons then surely for an age when you no long competing for "real money" or as a pro you should be allowed to use this drug for longevity while still competing at your local or age cat level even at world champs? It should not then be construed as an advantage because I certainly would hope everyone would be on the stuff as we all want to live for as long as possible and have a good life - health wise while doing it - right?

 

It is an interesting question but the "live longer" and "compete legally" are a bit at loggerheads. If it's designed to make you live longer then it obviously has some life/performance enhancing properties so it will get banned.

 

It's a bit like saying "I get more done around the garden after I ride if I take EPO as a recovery injection so it should be legal for cycling".

 

Alas we can't always have our cake and eat it...

[Wyatt Earp]

For such an in depth and serious topic, at least fix the spelling on the heading.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Dangle

[V12man]

Turning the tables - why should I not be able to invite WADA / SA drug free sport to my house right now / ASAP to do a complete test which I will quite happily even pay for (all they will find is the what I have had to drink tonight). Then tell them I want to use drugs for longevity reasons as I am hitting the age of 40 - yup I did those test too - and I want to live comfortably for as long as possible - so please remove these drug from MY banned substance list?

 

 

You can do this - apply for a therapeutic use exemption - get it signed by your prescribing doc and go forward - I think this is the latest one,

 

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/wp-content/themes/dfs/pdf/TUE-Application-Forms-January-2011.pdf

 

Please let me know the details of the prescribing doc - via pm.

[Cassie]

 

 

Unfair advantage - why? I am not looking for that I am looking for longevity! If you all are allowed to do it - and then gov were even to hand it out free of charge where the advantage. I am sick (no pun intended) and tired of gov trying to keep unhealthy people alive for long (their are enough people in the world) - why not keep healthy people alive for longer? This is said tongue and cheek!

 

surely there is a REASON why HGH is naturally depleting in the body from a certain age onwards?? why mess with that natural cycle?? Just HOW LONG do you want to live?? 80yrs? 120yrs long enough? or 150 yrs ?

[Cassie]

Problem is I am still highly competitive - even at world level! So yup too afraid to use anything. But why should I have to make a choice for sport between an "easier (less pain worse eye sight worse hearing)" and shorter life when for people not doing sport could quite happily use these drug and governments ( like they do with AID's drugs) should possibly even hand them out for free for 100% healthy people! More and more drugs are currently been designed for longevity - so no doubt if it is not HGH it will be something different quite soon! I not looking to cheat in sport - the stakes are higher - I want to cheat my own natural death and prolong my own life!

 

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Dude!! That the one given in life...it WILL end...

Prolonging the inevitable....at what cost??