Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 I watched a joint replacement (think it was Reality and not Discovery come to think of it) and the amount of hammering and banging that went on was unsettleng to say the least. IMO it looked a bit "barbaric" (there's probably a better word but nothing comes to mind right now). The tools/utensils that were used also looked rough (reffering specifically to the saw, hammer and drift/punch) Coming from an engineering background, I think I expected a higher level of finnesse considering that they were working on a human. I need shoulder surgery and that image still haunts me! One of the reason's I'm putting it off. dude, I was surprized by the amount of tug and force used when my wife went for the Caesar earlier this year. They (the sugeons) really put some force into it. You also gotta remember that, even though the muscles are relaxed for those procedures, they are still large bodies of muscle that need to be manhandled in order to get access to certain areas. Also - bones are, well, bone! They fit together ver tightly and need quite a bit of force to manipulate. But yeah - the tools seem a bit archaic. But that's because they are - they simply work! Have a look at a bone-saw (the reciprocating type) - it looks like a heavy duty jigsaw, or a normal reciprocating saw!
Hairy Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 I watched a joint replacement (think it was Reality and not Discovery come to think of it) and the amount of hammering and banging that went on was unsettleng to say the least. IMO it looked a bit "barbaric" (there's probably a better word but nothing comes to mind right now). The tools/utensils that were used also looked rough (reffering specifically to the saw, hammer and drift/punch) Coming from an engineering background, I think I expected a higher level of finnesse considering that they were working on a human. I need shoulder surgery and that image still haunts me! One of the reason's I'm putting it off. The bigger the problem, the bigger the hammer and chisel
Grebel Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 dude, I was surprized by the amount of tug and force used when my wife went for the Caesar earlier this year. They (the sugeons) really put some force into it. You also gotta remember that, even though the muscles are relaxed for those procedures, they are still large bodies of muscle that need to be manhandled in order to get access to certain areas. Also - bones are, well, bone! They fit together ver tightly and need quite a bit of force to manipulate. But yeah - the tools seem a bit archaic. But that's because they are - they simply work! Have a look at a bone-saw (the reciprocating type) - it looks like a heavy duty jigsaw, or a normal reciprocating saw! I went cold and clammy.... Been through it twice now... Archaic is the word I was looking for! Steel is harder than bone though and an an artisan't tools look better than that... albeit not that shiny!
Grebel Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 The bigger the problem, the bigger the hammer and chisel And if you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem
Hairy Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 dude, I was surprized by the amount of tug and force used when my wife went for the Caesar earlier this year. They (the sugeons) really put some force into it. You also gotta remember that, even though the muscles are relaxed for those procedures, they are still large bodies of muscle that need to be manhandled in order to get access to certain areas. Also - bones are, well, bone! They fit together ver tightly and need quite a bit of force to manipulate. But yeah - the tools seem a bit archaic. But that's because they are - they simply work! Have a look at a bone-saw (the reciprocating type) - it looks like a heavy duty jigsaw, or a normal reciprocating saw!http://pyracy.com/pub_gallery/1292937449/med_gallery_1929_27_583359.jpg
Hairy Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 I went cold and clammy.... Been through it twice now... Archaic is the word I was looking for! Steel is harder than bone though and an an artisan't tools look better than that... albeit not that shiny! Grebel ... good thing you are not a pirate http://www.piratesurgeon.com/pages/surgeon_pages/amputation3.htm
Hairy Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 Watch it. Are you an animal or human butcher?
DR ◣◢ Posted December 13, 2012 Author Posted December 13, 2012 http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29576573.jpg Dirty Sanchez 1
2-D Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 These tend to flex quite a bit because of the low steerer tube clamp profile[/quote/] Not true they flex when you don't have enough of the steerer to clamp onto.
V12man Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 I watched a joint replacement (think it was Reality and not Discovery come to think of it) and the amount of hammering and banging that went on was unsettleng to say the least. IMO it looked a bit "barbaric" (there's probably a better word but nothing comes to mind right now). The tools/utensils that were used also looked rough (reffering specifically to the saw, hammer and drift/punch) Coming from an engineering background, I think I expected a higher level of finnesse considering that they were working on a human. I need shoulder surgery and that image still haunts me! One of the reason's I'm putting it off. Depends who does it and why on how 'barbaric it is..... A lot of the big procedures need a huge amount of force applied, so orthopedics is suited to big strong guys for some procedures - and it is pretty difficult to fixate an anaethetised body well. As to the tools not being a thing of beauty - well - newer ones look better, but they last so long, they do not need to be replaced almost ever, so a lot date back a long time - usually since the theatre they are using opened.. and they are super expensive, so they don't get replaced because the new ones look better - as long as they are sterile they are good. There is also a lot of high tech kit being used nowadays - the laser alignment kit for hip and knee replacements is fabulous, and works a lot better than simply eyeballing the alignment as was done less than 10 years ago. Nothing in the human body is straight or has a reference point that you can alway use (unlike in engineering), so the skill of a surgeon plays a big part from time to time - putting the jigsaw puzzle together is one thing, making it stay together is another, and making it work well afterwards is yet another issue. Doing it under time pressure, is another issue completely - we often work with cops/relatives/random people in the room crying, shouting and yelling and getting in the way - makes life interesting from time to time - sometimes takes a while to get some order going. Planned surgery is different - pretty calm and controlled - don't worry too much about your shoulder surgery - that's not too brutal at all - book a date and take tranquilisers for a few days before the op and you will not have a care in the world about it when you go in.
Hairy Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 Animal.Ah, so you have feeling then Blokman 1
DR ◣◢ Posted December 13, 2012 Author Posted December 13, 2012 Test build complete Starting to get excited. Think it's going to be a nice sled when it's done. Dirty Sanchez 1
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