LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[Cuppa Bru]

Nice.

 

Just as a comment - Noakes proposes a limit of carbs at 200g - so LC may well be considered to run from 200g downwards.

 

If you can deal with 200g, then things like beer probably become possible...

 

A person needs to find what level is appropriate for them...

 

That 200g limit: Is that with intense exercise?

200g...sounds like so much for LCHF!

[Roux 1]

That 200g limit: Is that with intense exercise?

200g...sounds like so much for LCHF!

 

High intensity or high volume over given period had big impact on how I felt. Personally i think 200g is still Low carb. It is interesting how much cabs Greenfield consumes, and he is a low carb tri-athlete...

 

Your activity level must substantiate it. Very important...

[davetapson]

That 200g limit: Is that with intense exercise?

200g...sounds like so much for LCHF!

 

I'm drawing a bit of a conclusion here, but his comment was something like 'I don't believe that there is ever reason to eat > 200g of carbs a day'. My memory is fallible so no guarantees...

 

It was not in the context of exercise so I assume that it was in the context of 'even if you are carb tolerant, it is probably unlikely that you would ever need to eat more than 200g of carbs a day'.

 

Noakes himself is pretty hardcore (50g?) due to his carb intolerance.

[DaleE]

I have just had my thyroid, blood and free testosterone tested and all my numbers are looking great, so the overall trend from being VLCHF for just over a year has been an astonishing improvement in my health and general wellbeing. Like davetapson said, maybe a bit hardcore for some, but if you have hardcore health issues, then that’s the way to attack them.

 

Nice! 2 Quick questions if I may ...

1. what do you consider VLCHF? i.e. how many carbs per day are you actually eating?

2. what's the source of those carbs?

[davetapson]

High intensity or high volume over given period had big impact on how I felt. Personally i think 200g is still Low carb. It is interesting how much cabs Greenfield consumes, and he is a low carb tri-athlete...

 

Your activity level must substantiate it. Very important...

 

Do you think maybe exercise related carb intake needs to be excluded from 'daily carb intake'?

 

Edit: clarity

Edited November 8, 2013 by davetapson

[Slowbee]

htone, one question ......... employment ?

[htone]

Nice! 2 Quick questions if I may ...

1. what do you consider VLCHF? i.e. how many carbs per day are you actually eating?

2. what's the source of those carbs?

1. Way below 50g, probably in the region of 30g /day.

2. Milk, protein, green and leafy veggies, tomatoes and cucumber in salads.

 

A huge cheat for me would be the addition of a small potato or two to a stew.

[htone]

Do you think maybe exercise related carb intake needs to be excluded from 'daily carb intake'?

 

Edit: clarity

No, it all adds up !

[Roux 1]

Do you think maybe exercise related carb intake needs to be excluded from 'daily carb intake'?

 

Edit: clarity

 

Yes --- excellent question.. my cycling ability declined/plateaued due to </= 100g/day carbs. Weight also did not drop, body was under stress.

[htone]

htone, one question ......... employment ?

In a kind of a temporary arrangement, which should firm up towards the new year, but it has been the cause of much stress (and weight gain)... all good though, at least earning a living

[Roux 1]

No, it all adds up !

 

Dis nou interessant???

[DaleE]

Do you think maybe exercise related carb intake needs to be excluded from 'daily carb intake'?

 

Nope

 

Ok, ok, ... perhaps if you're racing then I would agree, but not if you're doing <80% HRmax training. The theory says you're burning fat at that level.

[Topwine]

 

I have just had my thyroid, blood and free testosterone tested and all my numbers are looking great,

 

 

Do you mind sharing your results?

Did you only test TSH ? If you only tested TSH for thyroid, then I'm afraid it is not a very usefull measure of thyroid function.

 

What is your temperature when you wake up in the morning?

Your HR when you wake ?

[Roux 1]

Nope

 

Ok, ok, ... perhaps if you're racing then I would agree, but not if you're doing <80% HRmax training. The theory says you're burning fat at that level.

 

:D ... My experience::: did high volume over months. Added intensity(racing style).. you feel when you are glycogen depleted. Carbs are needed to go-go-go. Question I asked myself: How do you conserve glycogen?? Not by eating minimal cabs....Tried to replace stores with fats -- did not work 100%.

 

You are right: <80%max, I managed it up to 85% of max. But that is pushing it and not sustainable.

[davetapson]

Yes --- excellent question.. my cycling ability declined/plateaued due to </= 100g/day carbs. Weight also did not drop, body was under stress.

 

Ok, so answer this:

1. How much carb do you eat for non-exercise purposes?

2. How much do you eat to support exercise?

 

Do you just eat carbs normally through the day, or do you eat low carb and then supplement with carbs during exercise?

 

This is intesesting. I like Dale's comment - maybe carb should be included for normal life and < 80% training, but above 80% additional carb?

 

I don't notice a huge difference in my training if I'm low carbing (but I'm probably at 50 - 80g) - but I train at low intensities, Maffetone style.

 

During racing, I now eat pretty much ad-lib. But only once well into the race. No pre-race carb loading.

[htone]

:D ... My experience::: did high volume over months. Added intensity(racing style).. you feel when you are glycogen depleted. Carbs are needed to go-go-go. Question I asked myself: How do you conserve glycogen?? Not by eating minimal cabs....Tried to replace stores with fats -- did not work 100%.

 

You are right: <80%max, I managed it up to 85% of max. But that is pushing it and not sustainable.

 

Roux1, have you tried to "force" you body to adapt to these conditions ? Trained at +80% for extended periods ?

And have you kept on doing this for long enough - those are the questions that perhaps we should be asking !

I still believe this is achievable, it is just a matter of time and effort to allow the body to develop that "second engine".

 

I would still like to set up an informal "exercise group" where we can collectively train under VLC conditions for extended periods... and have mutual support in the process.