LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[htone]

I have used salpeter a lot on biltong in the past, in recent times I have left it out. I have noticed the white powdery deposit sometimes on biltong made with or without salpter. My explanation is that it is the (excess) salt crystallising on the outside of the meat as it gets drier. I cannot think that the minute amount of salpetre (10 g on 10 kg of biltong) can leave a white deposit. Salpteter does give the billies a nice red color though.

 

Thanks Sniffie - I value your biltong making experience and feedback as I have had the supreme privilege of tasting a sample of your stock ! From my conversations it is clear that biltong making is indeed quite "personal" and each person seems to have their little tricks and preferences. The old man at Biltong Warehouse seems to have taken a liking to me, because I always buy the most fatty biltong, and he says "Ek hou van 'n man wat vet kan eet"

[Sniffie]

@htone

UR to kind. Biltong once sliced, vacuum packed and frozen like those, are not at their best any more. My wife thought she would do me a favor by slicing it before freezing. If you have to freeze biltong rather vacuum it whole and then freeze. When will you be in Pta? I will be there this coming Saturday and Sunday for a birthday celebration.

[htone]

@htone

UR to kind. Biltong once sliced, vacuum packed and frozen like those, are not at their best any more. My wife thought she would do me a favor by slicing it before freezing. If you have to freeze biltong rather vacuum it whole and then freeze. When will you be in Pta? I will be there this coming Saturday and Sunday for a birthday celebration.

DV should arrive late Saturday, so will be there on Sunday. Perhaps a coffee somewhere (but you have to be quite specific as I use satellites to navigate ) on Sunday morning ?

 

edit : PM me, this thread has gone off topic enough as it is

Edited August 14, 2013 by htone

[Wet Ears]

Tweet by Prof Noakes that I thought a few on this thread would find interesting. Do cholesterol-lowering drugs have a dark side

http://m.bdlive.co.za/life/health/?articleId=263472

Edited August 14, 2013 by Wet Ears

[Wet Ears]

Let's see if these work

 

http://newswall.co.za/news/latest/business-day/cholesterol-lowering-drug-may-have-a-dark-side/aat5k.221110

 

http://www.bdlive.co.za/life/health/2013/08/13/cholesterol-lowering-drug-may-have-a-dark-side

Edited August 14, 2013 by Wet Ears

[Helpmytrap]

Reporting back on my Greek yoghurt recovery meal yesterday. @ 17:30 I had 120g with cinnamon as well as some coconut oil in coffee. then had dinner with half a gemsquash and broccoli and cauliflower.

I tested after dinner last night and there was NO ketones present whatsoever. But was back to ++ this morning.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Helpmytrap

[Topwine]

Those of you that actually took the time to read some of Ray Peat's work will know that he is all about a healthy metabolic rate and good Thyroid hormone function. His stuff can be a bit difficult to read for the non-scientific minded, so here is a article that explains it all in a much more user friendly way.

 

http://valtsus.blogspot.fi/2013/08/thyroid-hormones-and-heart-disease_13.html

 

 

in 1973, Barnes published some of his patient data in his article On the genesis of atherosclerosis. The occurrence of CVD in his 1500+ patients was 94% lower than Framingham statistics would have predicted. This is a remarkable results considering that Barnes didn't advocate his patients to quit smoking or change their other habits.

[P.A.K.]

I'm not well read on the subject, but I don't think you need to be in constant ketosis at all. Unless there are medical reasons you prefer to be (like diabetes).

 

After initially adapting your body to fat burning, your body can easily switch between burning carbs and fat, and as I understand one can dip in and out of ketosis on any day?

 

Having excess ketones in urine simply means that you produced more than you needed. The lack of ketones in urine may mean that you are producing ketones but your body used all of it, or that you aren't producing ketones at all, which is less likely on LCHF.

 

I'm sure Htone can shed some light and correct me if I'm wrong?

[Roux 1]

Question regarding Nut Butter recipe:

 

 

Can peacan nuts also be used? I know that recipes using only Almond and Mac nuts is available

[Helpmytrap]

@PAK

 

Pretty much what you said, we measure excess ketones in urine. I was just reporting back on what happened.

 

I actually don't know why I put that last part in of "I don't know what to make of it."

[Helpmytrap]

Question regarding Nut Butter recipe:

 

 

Can peacan nuts also be used? I know that recipes using only Almond and Mac nuts is available

I'm pretty sure that the nut is irrelevant. In all cases you stick it in a blender/food processor and grind it up leaving you with the nut butter. Just as long as you roast the nuts beforehand to reduce the amount of some acid in the nut. Is it phatic acid?

[Roux 1]

I'm pretty sure that the nut is irrelevant. In all cases you stick it in a blender/food processor and grind it up leaving you with the nut butter. Just as long as you roast the nuts beforehand to reduce the amount of some acid in the nut. Is it phatic acid?

 

 

Thanks-- will try it. I read a recipe that soaking nuts in water over night in stead of roasting.

[htone]

Thanks-- will try it. I read a recipe that soaking nuts in water over night in stead of roasting.

Hey, but nothing beats the taste of a nicely roasted nut !

 

Just FYI, here's the carb content of a few of the popular nuts, Macnuts are about 9g per 1/2 cup:

 

Carb Content of Nuts

 

 

 

Please Note: all carbohydrate values are approximate

Nuts (serving size 1/2 cup)

Carbs (g)

Almonds, dried

9g

Brazil nuts

9g

Cashew nuts, dry roasted

22g

Hazelnuts (3oz)

5g

Peanuts, roasted (3oz)

10g

Pecans, dry roasted (1oz)

6g

Pistachio nuts, dry roasted

16g

Walnuts

8g

[Cuppa Bru]

What's so bad about Macadamia nuts' phytic acid content? It's supposedly very low compared to other nuts.

 

Abstract is @ http://europepmc.org/abstract/AGR/IND43623329/reload=0;jsessionid=ydXW7a0WGjejGnWhROzn.24

[htone]

I'm not well read on the subject, but I don't think you need to be in constant ketosis at all. Unless there are medical reasons you prefer to be (like diabetes).

 

After initially adapting your body to fat burning, your body can easily switch between burning carbs and fat, and as I understand one can dip in and out of ketosis on any day?

 

Having excess ketones in urine simply means that you produced more than you needed. The lack of ketones in urine may mean that you are producing ketones but your body used all of it, or that you aren't producing ketones at all, which is less likely on LCHF.

 

I'm sure Htone can shed some light and correct me if I'm wrong?

P.A.K. - you are 100% right, the real trick is to be in a fully adapted metabolic state so that you can very quickly switch between fat and carb burning. There is a really interesting passage in that Peter Attia presentation that HMT posted, where in the isolation chamber the scientists were surprised to see how quickly his RQ fell, i.e. he went back to fat burning really quickly (at 51min 40 sec). When this happens you will sometimes show zero ketones on the ketostix, but if you look at those rather impressive graphs that Attia puts up around the 43min mark, you will see that he basically remained in ketosis, even though his blood ketones varied quite a lot.

 

I prefer to stay in ketosis for two reasons. Firstly I can manage my blood glucose (and by implication ketone levels) better and secondly, I can control my weight better. On top of that (as Attia also states), you just feel so damn energized and good all the time and you just don't get that afternoon energy slump anymore ! But I have said this before, this is not for everyone.

 

I dabbled with increasing my carbs for a while, I kind of slacked off and did not check whether I was in ketosis for more than a month and in that time I added back 6kg. About 3 weeks ago I started eating more strictly, keeping my carbs below 80g / day and lost about 200g, but 2 weeks ago I pulled my carb intake right back to below 30g a day and voila, dropped 2.5kg in the last 2 weeks. I am telling you this to illustrate what dietary ketosis means for ME - it may not do the same for you.

 

edit : typo

Edited August 14, 2013 by htone

[htone]

Let's see if these work

 

http://newswall.co.z...de/aat5k.221110

 

http://www.bdlive.co...ave-a-dark-side

 

Thanks Wet Ears, I have been following this debate for some time !

But the real issue is, how do you stop this multi-billion dollar industry from pumping out more of the most prescribed drug in the history of mankind ? This is a near impossible task, I fear. And then they come up with things like "Oh well, if it doesn't directly reduce mortality, at least there is some evidence to show that it lowers inflammation..." ... whatever.

 

I am now on a low dose statin to dissolve some plaque build-up in my arteries (thanks to my lifestyle in my "previous life") and I cannot wait for my next sonar in 2 months' time to see if that has been resolved so that I can stop the meds again, so trust me, I am keeping a very beady eye on this !