jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 13.8 km, 8.11 %, 1119 m ____ - 37:00 | 2_ 1. Marco Pantani _______ ITA | 36:50 | 1995_ 2. Marco Pantani _______ ITA | 36:55 | 1997 ____ 37:00 - 37:59 | 3_ 3. Marco Pantani _______ ITA | 37:15 | 1994_ 4. Lance Armstrong _____ USA | 37:36 | 2004_ 5. Jan Ullrich _________ GER | 37:42 | 1997 ____ 38:00 - 38:29 | 5_ 6. Lance Armstrong _____ USA | 38:05 | 2001_ 7. Miguel Indurain _____ ESP | 38:14 | 1995_ 8. Alex Zülle __________ SUI | 38:14 | 1995_ 9. Bjarne Riis _________ DEN | 38:16 | 1995_10. Richard Virenque ____ FRA | 38:22 | 1997 ____ 38:30 - 38:59 | 5_11. Floyd Landis ________ USA | 38:36 | 2006_12. Andreas Klöden ______ GER | 38:36 | 2006_13. Jan Ullrich _________ GER | 38:40 | 2004_14. Laurent Madouas _____ FRA | 38:44 | 1995_15. Richard Virenque ____ FRA | 38:55 | 1994 ____ 39:00 - 39:29 | 7_16. Carlos Sastre _______ ESP | 39:01 | 2006_17. Iban Mayo ___________ ESP | 39:09 | 2003_18. Andreas Klöden ______ GER | 39:12 | 2004_19. Jose Azevedo ________ POR | 39:14 | 2004_20. Levi Leipheimer _____ USA | 39:15 | 2006 _21. Francesco Casagrande_ ITA | 39:22 | 1997_22. Bjarne Riis _________ DEN | 39:23 | 1997 ____ 39:30 - 39:44 | 8_23. Miguel Indurain _____ ESP | 39:30 | 1994_24. Luc Leblanc _________ FRA | 39:30 | 1994_25. Carlos Sastre _______ ESP | 39:32 | 2008_26. Vladimir Poulnikov __ UKR | 39:37 | 1994_27. Giuseppe Guerini ____ ITA | 39:40 | 2004_28. Santos Gonzalez _____ ESP | 39:41 | 2004_29. Vladimir Karpets ____ RUS | 39:41 | 2004_30. Gianni Bugno ________ ITA | 39:44 | 1991 ____ 39:45 - 39:59 | 17_31. Fernando Escartin ___ ESP | 39:45 | 1995_32. Miguel Indurain _____ ESP | 39:45 | 1991_33. Luc Leblanc _________ FRA | 39:46 | 1991_34. Denis Menchov _______ RUS | 39:47 | 2006_35. Michael Rasmussen ___ DEN | 39:47 | 2006_36. Pietro Caucchioli ___ ITA | 39:47 | 2006_37. Claudio Chiappucci __ ITA | 39:52 | 1995_38. Paolo Lanfranchi ____ ITA | 39:52 | 1995_39. Beat Zberg __________ SUI | 39:54 | 1997_40. Udo Bölts ___________ GER | 39:54 | 1997 _41. Roberto Conti _______ ITA | 39:54 | 1997_42. Laurent Madouas _____ FRA | 39:54 | 1997_43. David Moncoutie _____ FRA | 39:56 | 2004_44. Carlos Sastre _______ ESP | 39:57 | 2004_45. Ivan Basso __________ ITA | 39:58 | 2004_46. Stephane Goubert ____ FRA | 39:58 | 2004_47. Tony Rominger _______ SUI | 39:58 | 1995
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 40:00 - 40:14 | 7_48. Pavel Tonkov ________ RUS | 40:01 | 1995_49. Piotr Ugrumov _______ LAT | 40:01 | 1994_50. Alex Zülle __________ SUI | 40:01 | 1994 _51. Jan Ullrich _________ GER | 40:04 | 2001_52. Michael Rogers ______ AUS | 40:07 | 2004_53. Laurent Jalabert ____ FRA | 40:10 | 1995_54. Joseba Beloki _______ ESP | 40:14 | 2001 ____ 40:15 - 40:29 | 13_55. Oscar Pereiro _______ ESP | 40:15 | 2006_56. Michael Rogers ______ AUS | 40:15 | 2006_57. Cadel Evans _________ AUS | 40:15 | 2006_58. Ivan Parra __________ COL | 40:15 | 2006_59. Laurent Jalabert ____ FRA | 40:17 | 1997_60. Marco Fincato _______ ITA | 40:17 | 1997 _61. Roberto Conti _______ ITA | 40:19 | 1994_62. Jean-Francois Bernard FRA | 40:19 | 1991_63. Abraham Olano _______ ESP | 40:20 | 1997_64. Orlando Rodrigues ___ POR | 40:25 | 1997_65. Marcos Serrano ______ ESP | 40:27 | 2004_66. Claudio Chiappucci __ ITA | 40:27 | 1991_67. Pedro Delgado _______ ESP | 40:29 | 1991 ____ 40:30 - 40:44 | 13_68. Cyril Dessel ________ FRA | 40:30 | 2006_69. Haimar Zubeldia _____ ESP | 40:30 | 2006_70. Oscar Pereiro _______ ESP | 40:32 | 2004 _71. Mikel Astarloza _____ ESP | 40:33 | 2006_72. Richard Virenque ____ FRA | 40:34 | 1995_73. Ivan Gotti __________ ITA | 40:34 | 1995_74. Christophe Moreau ___ FRA | 40:35 | 2001_75. Jose E. Gutierrez_____ESP | 40:40 | 2004_76. Manuel Beltran ______ ESP | 40:41 | 1997_77. Oscar Pellicioli ____ ITA | 40:43 | 1994_78. Pascal Lino _________ FRA | 40:43 | 1994_79. Fernando Escartin ___ ESP | 40:43 | 1994_80. Armand de las Cuevas_ FRA | 40:43 | 1994 ____ 40:45 - 40:59 | 15_81. Georg Totschnig _____ AUT | 40:45 | 2004_82. Frank Schleck _______ LUX | 40:46 | 2006_83. Sandy Casar _________ FRA | 40:49 | 2004_84. Gilberto Simoni _____ ITA | 40:50 | 2006_85. Johan Bruyneel ______ BEL | 40:52 | 1995_86. Steven Rooks ________ NED | 40:52 | 1991_87. Thierry Claveyrolat _ FRA | 40:52 | 1991_88. Alexandre Vinokourov_ KAZ | 40:54 | 2003_89. Floyd Landis ________ USA | 40:56 | 2004_90. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 40:56 | 1991 _91. Damiano Cunego ______ ITA | 40:57 | 2006_92. Mikel Astarloza _____ ESP | 40:57 | 2004_93. Juan Miguel Mercado _ ESP | 40:57 | 2004_94. Alvero Mejia ________ COL | 40:57 | 1991_95. Oscar Sevilla _______ ESP | 40:59 | 2001
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 _96. Christophe Moreau ___ FRA | 41:00 | 2004_97. Gilberto Simoni _____ ITA | 41:03 | 2004_98. Francisco Mancebo ___ ESP | 41:08 | 2004_99. Fernando Escartin ___ ESP | 41:09 | 1997100. Giuseppe Guerini ____ ITA | 41:10 | 1999 101. Axel Merckx _________ BEL | 41:13 | 2004102. Sylvain Chavanel ____ FRA | 41:13 | 2004103. Christophe Moreau ___ FRA | 41:14 | 2006104. Tadej Valjavec ______ SLO | 41:14 | 2006 ____ 41:15 - 41:29 | 22105. Davide Rebellin _____ ITA | 41:20 | 1997106. Lance Armstrong _____ USA | 41:21 | 2003107. Francisco Mancebo ___ ESP | 41:21 | 2003108. Haimar Zubeldia _____ ESP | 41:21 | 2003109. Joseba Beloki _______ ESP | 41:21 | 2003110. Tyler Hamilton ______ USA | 41:21 | 2003 111. Ivan Basso __________ ITA | 41:21 | 2003112. Roberto Laiseka _____ ESP | 41:21 | 2003113. Bjarne Riis _________ DEN | 41:21 | 1994114. Gerd Audehm _________ GER | 41:21 | 1994115. Thomas Davy _________ FRA | 41:21 | 1994116. Patrick Jonker ______ AUS | 41:22 | 1997117. Jean-Cyril Robin ____ FRA | 41:22 | 1997118. Jose Maria Jimenez __ ESP | 41:22 | 1997119. Peter Luttenberger __ AUT | 41:22 | 1997120. Bobby Julich ________ USA | 41:22 | 1997 121. Michele Scarponi ____ ITA | 41:23 | 2004122. Samuel Sanchez ______ ESP | 41:24 | 2011123. Pascal Herve ________ FRA | 41:25 | 1994124. Oscar Camenzind _____ SUI | 41:26 | 1997125. Javier P. Rodriguez _ ESP | 41:26 | 1997126. Pietro Caucchioli ___ ITA | 41:27 | 2004 ____ 41:30 - 41:44 | 22127. Pavel Tonkov ________ RUS | 41:31 | 1999128. Alberto Contador ____ ESP | 41:33 | 2011129. Samuel Sanchez ______ ESP | 41:35 | 2008130. Andy Schleck ________ LUX | 41:35 | 2008 131. Fernando Escartin ___ ESP | 41:35 | 1999132. Alex Zülle __________ SUI | 41:35 | 1999133. Lance Armstrong _____ USA | 41:35 | 1999134. Richard Virenque ____ FRA | 41:35 | 1999135. Laurent Dufaux ______ SUI | 41:35 | 1999136. Kurt van de Wouwer __ BEL | 41:35 | 1999137. Ludovic Martin ______ FRA | 41:37 | 2004138. Laurent Brochard ____ FRA | 41:38 | 2004139. David Etxebarria ____ ESP | 41:39 | 2004140. Santiago Perez ______ ESP | 41:41 | 2004 141. Levi Leipheimer _____ USA | 41:42 | 2004142. Manuel Beltran ______ EPS | 41:42 | 1999143. Uwe Ampler __________ GER | 41:42 | 1991144. Charly Mottet _______ FRA | 41:42 | 1991145. Gert-Jan Theunisse __ NED | 41:42 | 1991146. Greg LeMond _________ USA | 41:42 | 1991147. Benjamin Noval ______ ESP | 41:44 | 2004148. Gerard Rue __________ FRA | 41:44 | 1991
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 149. Alejandro Valverde __ ESP | 41:45 | 2008150. Frank Schleck _______ LUX | 41:45 | 2008 151. Andrew Hampsten _____ USA | 41:45 | 1991152. Vladimir Efimkin ____ RUS | 41:47 | 2008153. Cadel Evans _________ AUS | 41:47 | 2008154. Denis Menchov _______ RUS | 41:47 | 2008155. Christian Vandevelde_ USA | 41:47 | 2008156. Bernhard Kohl _______ AUT | 41:47 | 2008157. Anthony Charteau ____ FRA | 41:48 | 2004158. Laudelino Cubino ____ ESP | 41:48 | 1995159. Pierrick Fedrigo ____ FRA | 41:49 | 2004160. Luis Herrera ________ COL | 41:50 | 1987 161. Yuriy Krivtsov ______ UKR | 41:53 | 2004162. Stefano Garzelli ____ ITA | 41:56 | 2006163. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 41:56 | 1987164. Yaroslav Popovych ___ UKR | 41:57 | 2006165. Michael Boogerd _____ NED | 41:57 | 2006166. Richard Virenque ____ FRA | 41:57 | 2004167. Marius Sabaliauskas _ LTU | 41:57 | 2004168. Marzio Bruseghin ____ ITA | 41:58 | 2004169. Kim Kirchen _________ LUX | 41:59 | 2004170. Carlos Contreras ____ COL | 41:59 | 1999 ____ 42:00 - 42:14 | 20171. Ruben Lobato ________ ESP | 42:00 | 2006172. Pierre Rolland ______ FRA | 42:03 | 2011173. Sylvain Chavanel ____ FRA | 42:04 | 2006174. Kevin Livingston ____ USA | 42:04 | 1997175. Oscar Sevilla _______ ESP | 42:05 | 2004176. Francisco Mancebo ___ ESP | 42:06 | 2001177. Igor G. de Galdeano _ ESP | 42:06 | 2001178. Roberto Laiseka _____ ESP | 42:06 | 2001179. Peter Velits ________ SVK | 42:07 | 2011180. Cadel Evans _________ AUS | 42:07 | 2011 181. Thoams de Gendt _____ BEL | 42:07 | 2011182. Damiano Cunego ______ ITA | 42:07 | 2011183. Frank Schleck _______ LUX | 42:07 | 2011184. Andy Schleck ________ LUX | 42:07 | 2011185. Abelardo Rondon _____ COL | 42:08 | 1991186. Santiago Botero _____ COL | 42:11 | 2004187. Leonardo Piepoli ____ ITA | 42:12 | 2001188. Ronan Pensec ________ FRA | 42:12 | 1991189. Eddy Mazzoleni ______ ITA | 42:14 | 2006190. Thierry Bourguignon _ FRA | 42:14 | 1997 ____ 42:15 -191. Jerome Pineau _______ FRA | 42:15 | 2004192. Pedro Delgado _______ ESP | 42:15 | 1987193. Pedro Delgado _______ ESP | 42:15 | 1989194. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 42:15 | 1989195. Bobby Julich ________ USA | 42:16 | 2004196. Igor G. de Galdeano _ ESP | 42:16 | 2004197. Pascal Richard ______ SUI | 42:16 | 1991198. Reynel Montoya ______ COL | 42:16 | 1991199. Iker Flores _________ ESP | 42:17 | 2004200. Beat Breu ___________ SUI | 42:17 | 1982
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 You can see where the favourites fit here Time, Av. speed, VAM, W/kg [Dr. Ferrari's formula] 36 min 50 sec | 22.48 Kph, VAM 1823 m/h, 6.48 W/kg (Pantani 1995)36 min 55 sec | 22.43 Kph, VAM 1819 m/h, 6.47 W/kg (Pantani 1997) 37 min 00 sec | 22.38 Kph, VAM 1815 m/h, 6.46 W/kg37 min 15 sec | 22.23 Kph, VAM 1802 m/h, 6.41 W/kg (Pantani 1994)37 min 30 sec | 22.08 Kph, VAM 1790 m/h, 6.37 W/kg37 min 45 sec | 21.93 Kph, VAM 1779 m/h, 6.33 W/kg 38 min 00 sec | 21.79 Kph, VAM 1767 m/h, 6.29 W/kg38 min 15 sec | 21.65 Kph, VAM 1755 m/h, 6.24 W/kg38 min 30 sec | 21.51 Kph, VAM 1744 m/h, 6.20 W/kg38 min 45 sec | 21.37 Kph, VAM 1733 m/h, 6.16 W/kg 39 min 00 sec | 21.23 Kph, VAM 1722 m/h, 6.12 W/kg39 min 15 sec | 21.10 Kph, VAM 1711 m/h, 6.09 W/kg39 min 30 sec | 20.96 Kph, VAM 1700 m/h, 6.05 W/kg39 min 45 sec | 20.83 Kph, VAM 1689 m/h, 6.01 W/kg 40 min 00 sec | 20.70 Kph, VAM 1679 m/h, 5.97 W/kg40 min 15 sec | 20.57 Kph, VAM 1668 m/h, 5.93 W/kg40 min 30 sec | 20.44 Kph, VAM 1658 m/h, 5.90 W/kg40 min 45 sec | 20.32 Kph, VAM 1648 m/h, 5.86 W/kg 41 min 00 sec | 20.20 Kph, VAM 1638 m/h, 5.83 W/kg41 min 15 sec | 20.07 Kph, VAM 1628 m/h, 5.79 W/kg41 min 30 sec | 19.95 Kph, VAM 1618 m/h, 5.76 W/kg41 min 45 sec | 19.83 Kph, VAM 1608 m/h, 5.72 W/kg 42 min 00 sec | 19.71 Kph, VAM 1599 m/h, 5.69 W/kg42 min 15 sec | 19.60 Kph, VAM 1589 m/h, 5.65 W/kg42 min 30 sec | 19.48 Kph, VAM 1580 m/h, 5.62 W/kg
Wez-O Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Interesting... Any chance someone could post the top 50 not dopers? I assume none are listed above?
Waynehans Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 GEEZ, how many of these guys were on some good stuff!!!!!
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 Interesting... Any chance someone could post the top 50 not dopers? I assume none are listed above? Tough to call
Napalm Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Going by my general knowledge - am I correct in saying of the top 20, only Indurain wasn't caught for doping?
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 Going by my general knowledge - am I correct in saying of the top 20, only Indurain wasn't caught for doping? Not sure, so much happened after some of the riders retired. Sastre ever implicated?
Jaco-fiets Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Have any of you guys tried this famous climb? It would be nice to compare those times to us mortals who work for a living and can only manage around 6 to 8hrs per week We have Bainskloof close to my home. It is a good climb to see where you are fitness wise. From the 4 way as you leave town to the top (on the turn before the 1st houses of 1ste tol) is just over 12km. Can't remember how much it climbs but I think it is in the region of 500-600m. I really have to push very hard to get to top under 37min. This is slow by most standards.
Lucky Luke. Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 I'm pretty sure the first sub-40 climb by Indurain in '91 registers the line in the sand where EPO entered the tour. He beat Herrera's 1987 record by more than 2 minutes, and Big Mig was hardly built for pure climbing.
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 Froome currently outside Top 200. Only ride up was in 2008 (I think) and his time was 51:13
jcza Posted June 12, 2013 Author Posted June 12, 2013 Have any of you guys tried this famous climb? It would be nice to compare those times to us mortals who work for a living and can only manage around 6 to 8hrs per week We have Bainskloof close to my home. It is a good climb to see where you are fitness wise. From the 4 way as you leave town to the top (on the turn before the 1st houses of 1ste tol) is just over 12km. Can't remember how much it climbs but I think it is in the region of 500-600m. I really have to push very hard to get to top under 37min. This is slow by most standards. Had a link to strava, will try find it again. Pinot was KOM
Andrew Steer Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 By my reckoning, first clean rider is in position 43 - Moncoutie There are some names I don't know though...
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