TALUS Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I hope this is replaced with no questions asked. If they offer a direct replacement, you should pay in and upgrade. These wheels could cost you an arm and a leg (literally).
McD23 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 im fairly sure based on new consumer protection act store doesn't have an option, he can demand refund or replace.
Tankman Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 I have to be honest, I'm not so sure if I am ready to pull the trigger on a carbon bike or carbon wheels. My carbon handlebar has got me nervous enough on some descents. I have a Giant Anthem and the Aluxx alu frame is not much heavier than a carbon. Paranoid man! Carbon is stronger than alloy and can withstand greater forces before giving way. BUT ... if you buy Chinese knock-offs, dont expect the same type of performance. The Chinese are good at copying the "looks" of the product but not that good at copying the structural layout of the carbon that offers the same performance and integrity of the original product. Not alot of research and behind the scenes testing happening at the copy site. They copy what they see ... you pay for what you see ... literally. Watch this video, Carbon vs Alloy ... thested by the Santa Cruz boys. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xreZdUBqpJs
johanpre44 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Did you ride on these wheels? Or did they just go bust when you did the tubeless? Pretty sure proper carbon rims (Enve, Alchemist, American Classic, Sram) will not fail like this. Hope you get it sorted out without a hick-up.
rudi-h Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Paranoid man! Carbon is stronger than alloy and can withstand greater forces before giving way. BUT ... if you buy Chinese knock-offs, dont expect the same type of performance. The Chinese are good at copying the "looks" of the product but not that good at copying the structural layout of the carbon that offers the same performance and integrity of the original product. Not alot of research and behind the scenes testing happening at the copy site. They copy what they see ... you pay for what you see ... literally. Watch this video, Carbon vs Alloy ... thested by the Santa Cruz boys. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xreZdUBqpJs not so sure that this is a valid comment anymore... china has been making everything that we buy for the last 10 years. if you keep on doing stuff you get good at it, that's how life works... Obviously there are still some cases like to OP posted above, but bad quality chinese stuff isn't the norm anymore... in another 10 years the chinese quality will pass the rest of the world, very much like Japan has done 15 years ago.
2bliss Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Pretty sure proper carbon rims (Enve, Alchemist, American Classic, Sram) will not fail like this. Why not ask Johan Bornman about that? He once tried to build up a set of new Enves, but a spoke pulled right through a part where the carbon was paper-thin. Afterwards he built up two sets of perfect Chinese rims (by Light-Bicycle). That said, I will only buy carbon products from Chinese manufacturers who have been extensively reviewed (positively,of course).
Tankman Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 not so sure that this is a valid comment anymore... china has been making everything that we buy for the last 10 years. if you keep on doing stuff you get good at it, that's how life works... Obviously there are still some cases like to OP posted above, but bad quality chinese stuff isn't the norm anymore... in another 10 years the chinese quality will pass the rest of the world, very much like Japan has done 15 years ago.I was referring specifically to carbon products, not everything they produce/copy. Carbon frames/wheels get layered in very spesific ways to provide the needed strength and support to withstand the certain forces. Saw a video where a top end brand used 171 different pieces of carbon where they layered it in spesific ways in spesific directions to make their frame. How many of those pieces does mr chinaman even know about?
eddy Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Why not ask Johan Bornman about that? He once tried to build up a set of new Enves, but a spoke pulled right through a part where the carbon was paper-thin. Shoo, tell us more !
popcorn_skollie Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 I was referring specifically to carbon products, not everything they produce/copy. Carbon frames/wheels get layered in very spesific ways to provide the needed strength and support to withstand the certain forces. Saw a video where a top end brand used 171 different pieces of carbon where they layered it in spesific ways in spesific directions to make their frame. How many of those pieces does mr chinaman even know about? I'm leaning more towards Rudi on this one. I'm very skeptical over the build quality of anything made in China. The 'Made in China' label alone is a warning sign for me. But that doesn't mean they lack the technology or skills required to manufacture high end products. There are certainly exceptions. Everything made in china simply can't be written off as rubbish. You would be surprised how many top brands have their manufacturing done there. I agree that it depends on the type of material and process involved in manufacture. Both alloy and carbon come in different grades. I'm pretty sure the carbon used in a santa cruz v10 is far more densely woven than lets say a spez stumpy ht. The Chinese may not be making them to these standards. But I think its more because they don't give a crap rather than their lack of ability to do so.
Guest DieBees Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 I do not see any branding on the wheel... I suspect its from China
Wyatt Earp Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Why not ask Johan Bornman about that? He once tried to build up a set of new Enves, but a spoke pulled right through a part where the carbon was paper-thin. Afterwards he built up two sets of perfect Chinese rims (by Light-Bicycle). That said, I will only buy carbon products from Chinese manufacturers who have been extensively reviewed (positively,of course).Enve ,paper thin ?Have you actually held an unbuilt Enve rim in your hand ever ?It takes a wheel builder with real skill to build a carbon rim where you can't see the nipples.Don't blame the "wheel builders" lack of skill on the product. I think you actually said it well "he once tried"
udxcob Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Enve ,paper thin ?Have you actually held an unbuilt Enve rim in your hand ever ?It takes a wheel builder with real skill to build a carbon rim where you can't see the nipples.Don't blame the "wheel builders" lack of skill on the product. I think you actually said it well "he once tried"Oh no you didn't............
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Oh no you didn't............I think he did....
BarHugger Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Friday......on a Sunday...:-?(Biltong and beer ready)
Wyatt Earp Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Oh no you didn't............I did, all day long
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