Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 Time to fly over for a biking holiday? with your Game special bicycle?LOL. No - I'd pay VAT and such. But it'll still be cheaper than getting an equivalent bike locally. But yes - family holiday with my family over there. And friends.
Scott2luvit Posted April 9, 2015 Author Posted April 9, 2015 It's due to a combination of the rebound on the rear, possible settings on the front fork and the short reach on the giant frame itself. Honestly speaking, you should have gone with an xl frame with 635mm top tube if you were settled on getting the giant, which would have meant you'd have had more room in the cockpit. Yes, you'd have had to change the stem to accommodate the change in ett (probably a good thing as it'll improve the handling) but you'd have your weight positioned more behind the front wheel and be less prone to that otb feeling. So - check your suspension settings. It may be way off at the moment and the sole cause of it.thanks, will def play with the rebound, its not just a otb feeling, I go OTB, think my shoulder ligaments might be torn... so slower rebound suits XC / trail riding better? it aint fun riding home like this..... didn't have my multitool with me
Scott2luvit Posted April 9, 2015 Author Posted April 9, 2015 It's due to a combination of the rebound on the rear, possible settings on the front fork and the short reach on the giant frame itself. Honestly speaking, you should have gone with an xl frame with 635mm top tube if you were settled on getting the giant, which would have meant you'd have had more room in the cockpit. Yes, you'd have had to change the stem to accommodate the change in ett (probably a good thing as it'll improve the handling) but you'd have your weight positioned more behind the front wheel and be less prone to that otb feeling. So - check your suspension settings. It may be way off at the moment and the sole cause of it.also the Anthem X size chart shows XL frame from 193 depending on inside leg they recommend M / L
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 thanks, will def play with the rebound, its not just a otb feeling, I go OTB, think my shoulder ligaments might be torn... so slower rebound suits XC / trail riding better? it aint fun riding home like this..... didn't have my multitool with me Depends how fast you're going... but essentially a faster rebound forces the back end back up faster, which means that it has the potential to shift your weight forward faster than you can compensate for. A more gradual rebound setting would be better. Finding the balance takes time, but it's worth it.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 also the Anthem X size chart shows XL frame from 193 depending on inside leg they recommend M / L old style geometry readings, based on road frames. You should be looking at a combination of ETT, reach, standover height and so on. I ride a Large Giant and I'm 1.82 and it's too short for me in the reach department, and just a little short for me in the top tube. Fact of the matter is that your current giant is 20mm shorter in the top tube than your old Scott. I'm willing to bet that the reach measurement is also shorter, which could also be a contributing problem. But - at 1.84m and running a 100mm stem on a large mountain bike, and feeling as if you're too far over the front when you're out the saddle - I'm saying you should be on a larger size with a shorter stem. That will bring your weight further behind the front wheel and when you're out the saddle there will be more room for you. Plus, there's only 2cm difference in the standover heights between the 2 sizes. Are you saying your existing saddle height doesn't have enough fat in it to absorb a 2cm longer seat tube?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 Another thing it could be - what fork do you have on there? If it's a 2013/2014 fox evolution CTD, they suffer from a lack of low speed compression damping, which means that when you're out of the saddle and pedalling, it'll blow through the travel very fast and that, combined with a rebound on the back that is too fast, as well as the long stem and feeling of being over the front wheel could contribute to going over the bars. Weight already over the front wheel (short reach and long stem)Front without any low speed compression support (blows through travel when braking or in out of the saddle pedalling moments)back with rebound too high (pushing the back of the bike up faster than it should be)
rudi-h Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 get a trail bike. xc and marathon bikes were designed for OTB crashes!
worriesnot Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 old style geometry readings, based on road frames. You should be looking at a combination of ETT, reach, standover height and so on. I ride a Large Giant and I'm 1.82 and it's too short for me in the reach department, and just a little short for me in the top tube. Fact of the matter is that your current giant is 20mm shorter in the top tube than your old Scott. I'm willing to bet that the reach measurement is also shorter, which could also be a contributing problem. But - at 1.84m and running a 100mm stem on a large mountain bike, and feeling as if you're too far over the front when you're out the saddle - I'm saying you should be on a larger size with a shorter stem. That will bring your weight further behind the front wheel and when you're out the saddle there will be more room for you. Plus, there's only 2cm difference in the standover heights between the 2 sizes. Are you saying your existing saddle height doesn't have enough fat in it to absorb a 2cm longer seat tube?Ja I also think the sizing is dated and based on road bikes.I'm 187 and have a XL Anthem. I have no OTB near misses or feelings at all compared to my previous HT Merida. Was a large with 100mm stem. "Supposed" to be the correct size for my build but I still don't buy it and really the main reason I sold the bike after only riding it for 12 months.Still riding with the stock stem on the Anthem and haven't felt the need to change or feel shortchanged in handling or anything for that matter. I will play around with a shorter stem just out of curiousity more than anything else.
worriesnot Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 get a trail bike. xc and marathon bikes were designed for OTB crashes!oh please don't go there...
Odinson Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 get a trail bike. xc and marathon bikes were designed for OTB crashes! Thank you for that little gem of pure biking wisdom.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 Thank you for that little gem of pure biking wisdom. should have rather read that incorrectly set up and sized MTB's are designed for OTB crashes....
rudi-h Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 Thank you for that little gem of pure biking wisdom. sorry, i thought it was Friday already!
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 sorry, i thought it was Friday already!it isn't?! Gah!
Steven Knoetze (sk27) Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 dammit! Shuddup man. You do realise that it'll cost the same to fly to the UK and get a capra, bring it back and so on than to buy a similar bike locally? Amen, di a bit or research a while back. Canyon and YT won't sell here. You would have to buy and collect there.The shipping from the US is ridiculously expensive!!!
Scott2luvit Posted April 9, 2015 Author Posted April 9, 2015 Another thing it could be - what fork do you have on there? If it's a 2013/2014 fox evolution CTD, they suffer from a lack of low speed compression damping, which means that when you're out of the saddle and pedalling, it'll blow through the travel very fast and that, combined with a rebound on the back that is too fast, as well as the long stem and feeling of being over the front wheel could contribute to going over the bars. Weight already over the front wheel (short reach and long stem)Front without any low speed compression support (blows through travel when braking or in out of the saddle pedalling moments)back with rebound too high (pushing the back of the bike up faster than it should be)what you are saying make allot of sense, I will play with rebound, it is the fox ctd setup, bought the 2014 bike on special, I also have a 2014 Fox nude, but will try and get the damping right first
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 what you are saying make allot of sense, I will play with rebound, it is the fox ctd setup, bought the 2014 bike on special, I also have a 2014 Fox nude, but will try and get the damping right firstDon't bother. The shocks (back) seemed to work okay. Nothing like the problems that the forks had. Dial in the rebound, get the compression damping sorted (if you can) and then see where you are. I still reckon you're on the wrong size frame though.
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