Frosty Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 I have was tempted to cut the GREEN points in half so that there is an even split between the 4 jersey categories. But points are awarded down to 15th place and you only have 9 riders, so the maximum points available is theoretically less than what it shows above. Also, the intermediate sprint point is not guaranteed to have sprinters taking all the points, as is the opening stage. Bonus points are excluded from the points table above, as it's difficult to know how many riders will be in a break, and if the break stays away. The same for the most aggressive riders. This will just add to the dilemma everyone faces in picking the team they think will do the best. edit: 11-Jun: green points cut in half
Frosty Posted June 11, 2015 Author Posted June 11, 2015 Updated scoring The green jersey points on offer have been cut in half, so the balance between the jerseys are similar. Revised rules attached - revision 1 deleted and replaced by Revision 2 (on first page of thread). edit: 19-JunRevision 2 of the rules added to page 1
Frosty Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 Provisional team line ups, from Pro Cycling Stats: http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_France_2015-startlist
word Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Holy crap - honorary doctorate available to all who understand. My suggestion - pick your team and let the experts run the points. At the end of the day, check your standing. Finished.
Frosty Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 Holy crap - honorary doctorate available to all who understand can pick the perfect team. My suggestion - pick your team and let the experts run the points. At the end of the day, check your standing. Finished.fixed
Frosty Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 When can we start picking teams?The answer was posted on page 2 - #27 The team selection and entry page will be available about two weeks before the Tour. It all depends on how soon the teams release their final rider lists, but we're aiming for 22 June to open up entries for initial selections. You then be able to adjust your team up until the start of the Tour on 4 July (time TBC) as there are often late changes. Until this morning, many of the team lineups are still not known. The published list is a guess.Admin will setup the team submission template soon, but it will be the usual last week (and a bit) rush before the Tour starts.
Frosty Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 I have been receiving a few queries about how the scoring works. What might seem easy for me to understand it may not be as simple as it sounds. If you have any queries, please post your queries here, or send me a PM, and I'll try compile a Q&A/FAQ for the points. Q1: On page 3, you give examples for Yellow Jersey and White Jersey points. In this example, on Stage1 Sagan would receive 19.8 Yellow Jersey points and 18.9 White Jersey points. Would this mean that Sagan's points on the Stage would (19.8 + 18.9) = 38.7, os is there a maximum of 19.8 points available for the conbinsation of these two competitions? A1: 38.7 is correct. There are points for both of these categories. ----------------Q2: On page 8 of the scoring document detailing breakaways, what would be the definition of a peloton on a difficult mountain day where the race is split up all over the road and there is no specific group of riders other than the grupetto of sprinters? For example, on stage 17 last year, Majka and Visconti finished 1st and 2nd from the break, so they clearly would have qualified as riders in the break finishing ahead of the peloton. However, GC riders Nibali and Peraud finished 3rd and 4th ahead of De Marchi and Rolland, who'd also been in the break. In this situation, would De Marchi and Rolland also have been awarded points for finishing ahead of the peloton? What about Rodriguez who finished 31st? A2: The PELOTON is the main group, and usually contains the leader of the race. The BREAKAWAY usually gets away from the PELOTON early, and is usually reported on as a BREAK. However, in your example of stage 17 (http://www.cyclingne...-17/live-report) there was a break of 8, who were then joined by another group to make it 22 riders. All 22 riders in the break would score 10 points for being in the break. Only 2 riders (Majka and Visconti) finished ahead of riders that were not in the break, and would score points for finishing ahead of the peloton (or anyone that was in the peloton). It doesn't matter that Nibali and Peraud finished 3rd and 4th - as they were in the peloton until the ATTACKS started. ATTACKS usually happen towards the end of a stage, and is not considered as a BREAK even if time gaps appear. ---------------- Q3: Finally, for the bonus points for riders in multiple breakaways, would a rider only have had to finish ahead of the peloton once to receive the 2000 points bonus for being in 2 breakaways? A3: To get 2000 points, the rider would have to be in 2 breaks that stay away (both times). Their points would be as follows for being involved in 2 breaks:10-50 points for being in break 1 (each stage has a different rating, so has varying points);50-1000 points for staying away in break 1 (depending on which stage it is);10-50 ponts for being in break 2;50-1000 points for staying away in break 2;100 BONUS points for being in 2 break aways;2000 BONUS points for staying away in two breaks.------------- Q4: On stage 6 of the Dauphine last week, Nibali, Valverde and others who may be termed GC riders attacked after about 75km and stayed away until the end. Would this scenario have been termed a breakaway, or because the attacks happened on climbs and as far into the stage as they did, would it have been seen as an early GC attack with no breakaway points? What if the Yellow jersey van Garderen and Froome had been with them? A4: This was a difficult stage to call as there was an early break but it was brought back. The Cyclingnews website had a feature called "as it happened" and that is my source for determining the breaks. http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/criterium-du-dauphine-2015/stage-6/live-report So, in this case - Nibali was in a break and you would score points for a break as well as staying away to the finish. If TvG and CF had gone with them at the same time and they got a gap over the peloton then "Yes, breakaway points" for them as well. ---------- Q5: If a player makes a substitution, would they forfeit all "End of the Tour" points that they would have received for the rider they substitute out, and would they receive all of the "End of the Tour" points for the rider they substitute in? For example, if I brought in Froome on the second rest day and he won the Tour, would I receive 100 points for him finishing 1st in the Yellow jersey competition? Likewise, if I brought in the rider that ended up being awarded the Most Agressive prize, would I receive those 500 points? A5: For substitutions - you only score points for riders on your team for the stages they complete. Once replaced, they're out for good and no longer score points. You bring Froome in on rest day 2, but he will only score points from stage 16 onwards including the final points at the end of the Tour, assuming they actually finish the Tour.You need to select your substitutes before the start of the Tour and you can only use these substitutes. Again, you score points based on their performance on each stage. If the rider substituted wins the "Most aggressive overall" then you will get 500 points.---------- Q6: In the same line of thinking as above, if I were to substitute in a rider who had already survived in one breakaway in the Tour before I substituted him in, and he then survived in another breakaway after I substituted him in, would I receive the extra 2000 bonus points for the rider surviving in 2 breakaways? A6: A substitute rider will not score points for stages before they were brought in, so the second break would count as their first break, as well as the second "surviving in 2 breakaways".
Frosty Posted June 19, 2015 Author Posted June 19, 2015 The official rules form the Tour is available to download... http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2015/docs/TDF15_Reglement-BD.pdf I need to read through and adjust the scoring on the competition (if necessary) for any of the points on offer for the various categories.
Frosty Posted June 19, 2015 Author Posted June 19, 2015 Okay, there will be a slight change to the points for green and polka dot jerseys.Nothing major, but I will update the PDF files on this thread.In the meantime, here are the changes:
Frosty Posted June 19, 2015 Author Posted June 19, 2015 Revision 2 of the rules has been updated - can be found on page 1 of this thread. This will hopefully be the last update, except for the announcement of the prizes and how to submit your teams. edit: bike o'clock - time to go home
tombeej Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Gerald, I can't download the Rules without being forced so sign up to some unpronounceable site. I am not going to subscribe to that site - I just want the PDF. Please help!
Matt Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Gerald, I can't download the Rules without being forced so sign up to some unpronounceable site. I am not going to subscribe to that site - I just want the PDF. Please help! If you click the Download button at the bottom left of the Embedded PDF it should just download without any sign up required. Alternatively there is a link just above the embedded PDF to download it from our servers.
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