Baracuda Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 He also proposes that it's a design flaw. A "stupid design" and "no wonder they're moving away from gravity" I think that's what go everyone's backs up... Exactly, when he rants about how 'f...ing stupid the design is and how it should never be allowed on the market - it does result in one being labelled a small box in Afrikaans.
NicoBoshoff Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Exactly, when he rants about how 'f...ing stupid the design is and how it should never be allowed on the market - it does result in one being labelled a small box in Afrikaans.His eventual reasoning is unfortunately sound.Even Morewood admits the choice was at least in part motivated by patent considerations.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 His eventual reasoning is unfortunately sound.Even Morewood admits the choice was at least in part motivated by patent considerations.yeah, cos they didn't want to go split pivot. And by Morewood I assume you mean Pat & PYGA, not the Morewood brand
patches Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 yeah, cos they didn't want to go split pivot. And by Morewood I assume you mean Pat & PYGA, not the Morewood brand Yup, that patent, along with the DW link, belong to Mr Weagle... and he will sue! Not long before the birth of PYGA there were 2 bikes that Patrick designed with the help of Dave Weagle, and I think (meaning purely my own speculation) when Patrick broke away from the Maritzburg-M, he knew he couldn't use that same suspension design for his new brand. So he improvised.
raptor-22 Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Never the less, anyone who takes technical discussions on Pink seriously needs to have their heads reads.That site has got to have the most negative people in the universe. Firstly if you braking so hard on a descent with your rear brakes that you can feel brake jack then you need to go back to skills training school.
Baaisikilist Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Sounds like a thread for Awesome G.He knows the okes there. Let him pop them a whatsapp and get things cleared up...
nolipoli Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Yup, that patent, along with the DW link, belong to Mr Weagle... and he will sue! Not long before the birth of PYGA there were 2 bikes that Patrick designed with the help of Dave Weagle, and I think (meaning purely my own speculation) when Patrick broke away from the Maritzburg-M, he knew he couldn't use that same suspension design for his new brand. So he improvised.So you saying that the Morewood original is better than the PYGA compromise?
rouxtjie Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 So you saying that the Morewood original is better than the PYGA compromise?yip that is what I read
patches Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 So you saying that the Morewood original is better than the PYGA compromise? yip that is what I read Never! It's 26", and everyone knows 26" is dead! but in all seriousness, there are pros and cons to each frame. the PYGA uses a shorter rocker which is better. Also the bottom mount of the rear shock floats. The Morewood is static. But as established, the brake position on the PYGA isn't ideal. So moral of the story... Just get the 2016 Devinci Troy! DW Split Pivot Goodness. Low leverage rocker. shorter chainstays (thanks to Boost 148)... and it comes in plastic! http://stwww.bikemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2016-Devinci-Troy-SX-1.jpg
rouxtjie Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Never! It's 26", and everyone knows 26" is dead! but in all seriousness, there are pros and cons to each frame. the PYGA uses a shorter rocker which is better. Also the bottom mount of the rear shock floats. The Morewood is static. But as established, the brake position on the PYGA isn't ideal. So moral of the story... Just get the 2016 Devinci Troy! DW Split Pivot Goodness. Low leverage rocker. shorter chainstays (thanks to Boost 148)... and it comes in plastic! http://stwww.bikemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2016-Devinci-Troy-SX-1.jpgwhahaha well played.
patches Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 whahaha well played. and not every second person has one
JXV Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 The radial clamping force that the brake pads can apply to resist suspension movement is countered by high leverage (placing the pivot close to the wheel axle). The rotational resistance is also small and weakened by this leverage. Remember when riding and applying the brakes the wheel is usually still turning - so the brake pads are sliding over the disc surface, not locking it. At its worst, this design would only apply a small resistance to suspension travel, equivalent to a slight increase in compression and rebound damping, and then only when brakes are applied. The guys riding these bikes rave about the handling. I couldnt feel any problem when I had a brief ride on a Pascoe. Several of my riding buddies have Pygas and none have complained about it or reported disc reliability issues. In theory it is a problem but in design the potential negative consequences were recognised and mitigated. Proof of the pudding = rave reviews and happy customers. Overall, I think its a total non issue.
rouxtjie Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 and not every second person has one $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
EmptyB Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Only thing I noticed is how wicked the bike is overall...including under heavy breaking. Fu**ing love my Pyga
rouxtjie Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Only thing I noticed is how wicked the bike is overall...including under heavy breaking. Fu**ing love my PygaApparently you need to lock your rear brake, sit on the bike and bounce around like its a pogo stick....sounds like fun Who knew
EmptyB Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Apparently you need to lock your rear brake, sit on the bike and bounce around like its a pogo stick....sounds like fun Who knew Hahahahahaha......Classic, must try that
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