Pah Bear Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Interesting topic. At 57, I'm on my way to my first DC and definitely don't wanna think about this topic while at it cause I'm not stopping yet.
Pah Bear Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Oops, hopefully not a case of "until I'm stopped!" :eek: LOL.
nonky Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Hey guys, my point was not about homeopaths, it was about EATING THE RIGHT food and ...plse follow your own heart. It works for me, I'm not here to convince you...but we can open that debate under another topic if you want and on that topic: "Processed meat ranks alongside smoking as major cause of cancer, World Health Organisation says" http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/26/bacon-ham-sausages-processed-meats-cancer-risk-smoking-says-who
Pah Bear Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 That's what Prof Nokes is saying too. Never know what they put into the stuff. Eat if if you can recognise it?
eccc whippet Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Its the crap in your veins that will kill you faster than the speed your heart pumps.
JannievanZyl Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Hey guys, my point was not about homeopaths, it was about EATING THE RIGHT food and ...plse follow your own heart. It works for me, I'm not here to convince you...but we can open that debate under another topic if you want You are 100% correct that diet is substantially more important than exercise. However, mentioning homeopathy in any sentence tends to throw a massive question mark on any other statement, even if perfectly valid.
JannievanZyl Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 http://api.ning.com/files/LUkSoAAjPxDGK-8ELkhXdLMJ1-icUDoB-rp8dvQ*z7dOl0eICGi9Mtw8*d3kYsa8Kl4TUL2D*IFufN*KM52GbaaJQiC5ga-b/HomeopathicCartoon.jpeg?width=642&height=512
Chris NewbyFraser Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Interesting. You could take this approach:20151026044555.jpgGonna make this my new mantra
JannievanZyl Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 The mediators (cytokines, chemokines, CAMs, etc) are significantly different, leading to different humoral and cellular mediated responses. The outcomes of these will affect the body very differently. (Relatively) frequent bouts of exercise or other stressor is not a continuous condition, and probably leads to increased protection (repeated bout effect) through various mechanisms.Take your point but still feel comfortable that there is a causal relationship. We see permanent damage in heart muscle in these individuals. Surely inflammation played a role. I did extend it to MS though. Will dig into the literature a bit.
Today's Plan Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 My take is is you train and increase your FTP by concentrating on ensuring your base is very good then, add the building blocks ontop of a good base fitness on the bike will not be detrimental to your health. But if you doing Vo2 max efforts all the tinme without a good base then sure you will put strain on your body. The key is to either building slowly or decrease to rest (taper), In Today's Plan it a growth of your CTL week on week ensuring the load is not too massive from each week. Point is watch your CTL and ensure you build a good base before just racing every weekend. check out www.todaysplan.co.za to build yourself a base - endurance training plan ensuring you don't cook yourself.
TALUS Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I have been uneasy about this for a while now. The fact that I am not a very fast cyclist doesn't mean I am not going very hard. I am missing part of one lung (army days) and I think it also makes me less effective as a cyclist but I often ave above 90% for races. I have been at 92% for more than 5h several times. Last year I went flat out to hang onto the front of AL up Hekpoort and REALLY thought I was going to die - chest pain and all. This year I could not sleep the night before due to anxiousness (I went up a minute quicker). My father is 75y and ran ultras competitively for 35 years. No problem - so my genes should be reasonable (50% of it at least). Still I have some lingering doubts. I have been telling people for years that the benefits of running outweighs the negatives by far (I still do) but I have to admit that I suspect it does affect your knees negatively in the long run. What if cycling/suffering scars the heart? I will be following with more than just a passing interest.
SwissVan Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I wish these quacks would make up their minds, people have been doing endurance exercises (marathons etc) decades and decades... and the quacks have been studying them for decades and decades AND NOW..(drum roll) it might be bad for us.... Lets face it, life is bad for humans At 51 i do prefer the idea of doing short hi intensity exercise (a few laps around the preverbal block) and then retire to the couch to watch the laatjies tour de france......
TALUS Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I wish these quacks would make up their minds, people have been doing endurance exercises (marathons etc) decades and decades... and the quacks have been studying them for decades and decades AND NOW..(drum roll) it might be bad for us.... Lets face it, life is bad for humans At 51 i do prefer the idea of doing short hi intensity exercise (a few laps around the preverbal block) and then retire to the couch to watch the laatjies tour de france......The difference now is that the people that have trained for longer are not only the genetically gifted anymore. Also the numbers are bigger (better statistics).
SwissVan Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 The difference now is that the people that have trained for longer are not only the genetically gifted anymore. Also the numbers are bigger (better statistics). JA ja one day hopefully in my life time they will find something that wont kill us dead Tomorrow i ride slow as hell on the IDT and go flat out for 3 x 5 minutes only
usxorf Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 JA ja one day hopefully in my life time they will find something that wont kill us dead Tomorrow i ride slow as hell on the IDT and go flat out for 3 x 5 minutes only I heard about this thing called dihydrogen monoxide... Cyclists have been filling their bottles with it. Apparently can kill you if you drink too much of it!? Falls from the sky as well? Wtf?
NotSoBigBen Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I'd rather die from this than most other things ..... being fit and/or healthy is no guarantee of a long life anyway! Then again I probably don't train the 'longest and hardest'
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