Colnago C60 or V1-r, which one?

[Pure Savage]

If you havent made your mind up, maybe this will help. (Sorry cant help myself, still in love like a teenager)

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago3_zpskcxdtvxq.jpg

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago4_zpsz8ubxzyz.jpg

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago%202_zpsxvgj4flg.jpg

Shot for the pics, never got to see it up close at TOGH, I was in the breaks

[Cippo]

C60 hands down as a keeper. Made in Italy, lugged construction. V1-R if you wanna go fast and you want the lightest possible set up. Molded frame Made in Taiwan.

[Patchelicious]

[Jaco-fiets]

The general line to consumer is manufacturer - agent - LBS - us (correct?)

 

What would be the going rate for margin add on in this flow? How much does the agent add on (%) and so forth?

[CAAD4]

Roll that over until tomorrow

[Iceman.]

I came across this limited edition colour scheme on the net. Looks rad.

 

I wonder if SA got this colour.

[Patchelicious]

Speak to the guys st Alpine Sports, I have seen them tweeting pics of that color.

[Paul Ruinaard]

I was actually thinking about this over the weekend. I have a 15 year old C 40 that I ride regularly and its still as stiff as all hell. I am a fat boy - leanest i have ever been was 90kgs when I raced hard - so this frame has carried my bulk for 15 to 16 years.

 

Not a crack or a problem with it anywhere. Then I was looking in classifieds and there are many C40's and C50's there all similar ages.

 

What is the common denominator?

 

All of them are lugged.

 

Just saying - in a time when its very common for bike shops to accept that moulded carbon from manufacturers is disposable and is replaced with no questions asked, there are 15 year old lugged carbon frames trading second hand here.....

 

So if it was me and I was hoping to keep the bike for a bit (they are classics) and I wanted something that would last, I would be looking at lugged.

 

And made in Italy not moulded in Taiwan.

 

my 2 cents worth - cause I am never laying out that cash aagina for a road frame....

 

 

[splat]

I came across this limited edition colour scheme on the net. Looks rad.

 

I wonder if SA got this colour.

I saw one a few weeks ago 

[Pikey]

If you havent made your mind up, maybe this will help. (Sorry cant help myself, still in love like a teenager)

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago3_zpskcxdtvxq.jpg

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago4_zpsz8ubxzyz.jpg

 

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss153/Patch-elicious/Colnago%202_zpsxvgj4flg.jpg

bellissimo ????

[Edge_Design]

Out of interest - what difference does it really make whether it is made in Taiwan, Italy or South Africa? The equipment, materials and QC are likely to be the same and controlled closely by Colnago (in this case). The only difference is the cost of labour, but you definitely won't know that when you ride it. Given the volumes, the Taiwanese might actually know more about carbon manufacturing than the Italians. You're also putting your faith in a single Italian whose wife might have upset him by overcooking the pasta the night before he was assembling your frame?

 

Buy the one that looks the best - at R50k+ you're not going to get a bad frame! 

[Paul Ruinaard]

Out of interest - what difference does it really make whether it is made in Taiwan, Italy or South Africa? The equipment, materials and QC are likely to be the same and controlled closely by Colnago (in this case). The only difference is the cost of labour, but you definitely won't know that when you ride it. Given the volumes, the Taiwanese might actually know more about carbon manufacturing than the Italians. You're also putting your faith in a single Italian whose wife might have upset him by overcooking the pasta the night before he was assembling your frame?

 

Buy the one that looks the best - at R50k+ you're not going to get a bad frame! 

Do you reckon a Ferrari assembled in Taiwan would have as much classic value as one that you collect in Maranello and take for a test drive with the QC guy and have adjusted to your spec?

 

At this price level those things matter....

['Dale]

I came across this limited edition colour scheme on the net. Looks rad.

 

I wonder if SA got this colour.

Saw one at a Franschoek coffee shop once

Either you like it or not

 

I prefer a stealth elegant look

[WR 1.0]

That could have been Jason from Olympic Cycles.

[Edge_Design]

Do you reckon a Ferrari assembled in Taiwan would have as much classic value as one that you collect in Maranello and take for a test drive with the QC guy and have adjusted to your spec?

 

At this price level those things matter....

 

This is a 1 piece, 900g piece of carbon tubing. There is probably more manufacturing complexity and technology in the right front brake disc of the Ferrari. I guess it comes down to what you are looking for in the frame - all the extra R10k gives you (in my opinion) is the right to tell your friends the frame was made in Italy. It's unlikely to affect performance, resale value or quality - that is my confusion as so many people have commented on this thread about the country of manufacture and very few have commented on the riding performance (probably also a factor of very few having had the opportunity to compare them).

[Pure Savage]

I saw one a few weeks ago 

 

Pretty sure that bad boy gets raced in Cape Town very regularly.