Stewart and Dreyer clock fastest times at Masters Marathon Champs

[Mousea]

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

[Eldron]

Cool, I can respect that!

 

Hand shakes and hugs all round. Don't look to carefully though my posts over the years - I'm pretty sure I've called more than a few people names :-)

 

I'm old now though so I can say something about growing as a person and being wise. Not like you young stupid punks*

 

*irony intended - comic sans excluded to allow further Friday banter....

[davetapson]

I'm all for letting go of "who is doping" because well we will never know and there are officials dedicated to  appearing that they are doing this.

 

 

 

Fixed for you.

[davetapson]

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

 

Because now that they know what not to do they can carry on doping as before but this time not get caught?

[Eldron]

Fixed for you.

 

Agreed but that also falls into my "meh" category.

 

I like to worry about things where there are some facts - tin foil is for making my lemon butter trout bake.

[davetapson]

Agreed but that also falls into my "meh" category.

 

I like to worry about things where there are some facts - tin foil is for making my lemon butter trout bake.

 

 

You're looking for facts?  Good luck with that...

 

To go off track slightly with a comparison, this is like other people's marriages - the only thing you do know is that you don't know.

[Skubarra]

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

 

Don't follow you quite here - if banning is not going to help (by the way I agree with that)

 

how is shaming going to do any better?

 

I have said it on other threads -bashing and banning ex dopers are not making any difference. 

 

Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo.

[davetapson]

Don't follow you quite here - if banning is not going to help (by the way I agree with that)

 

how is shaming going to do any better?

 

I have said it on other threads -bashing and banning ex dopers are not making any difference. 

 

Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo.

 

Dunno.  

 

If at the back of your mind is 'what is the worst that can happen? some time off and then carry on regardless' combined with the knowledge that to get caught you have to be a clown - there's not much downside.

 

If you are to be excluded from your community, that's way worse.

1. You can't get back into your career and carry on earning a crust in your chosen profession after a nice break where you can train as you wish (and whith whatever you choose to take while doing it)

2. What retired cyclist wouldn't like to come and do races for fun?

3. Reputational damage.  Seeing as owning a bike shop or related business post retirement seems to be a common thread, are you as a customer going to go to the shop of the hero or the loser?  What would LA's post cycling career look like if he hadn't been bust?  Not what it is now, whatever that may be... not sure what effect KE's saga has had on his business, but I'd imagine it hasn't boosted it.

 

 

"Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo."

 

Nice idea.  Except that real life has shown that this is remarkably hard.  If it wasn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Ranga]

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

Some were tested like crazy and then took to social media complaining that they were basically being victimised by SAIDS. Then they got caught.....

 

Would you sponsor a convicted doper? I certainly wouldn't.