Bicycle licence fees

[Patchelicious]

Which maybe goes to a point I made yesterday...and the restrained myself while being trolled by a self proclaimed genius.

I'm getting the distinct impression that some people are asking questions with the intent to simply argue whatever answer is given, instead of offering their own opinion.....

[Patchelicious]

DP,

 

 

as in double post you dirty people!

[jimmycool]

DP,

as in double post you dirty people!

Come on Patch, you can't go and make sweeping statements like that. We are not all dirty people.

[coppi]

Neither did god, what's your point?

Do not bring God into this!!!.........next thing this thread will be turned into a massive believers vs non believers argument that will get a lot of people worked up, and if that's  your plan......STOP

[Patchelicious]

Come on Patch, you can't go and make sweeping statements like that. We are not all dirty people.

The ones who got it are 

[Bonus]

If some of the "road tax" comes from the tax you pay when you buy petrol, then I pay "road tax" when I buy petrol for my lawnmower. . . .

[Patchelicious]

Do not bring God into this!!!.........next thing this thread will be turned into a massive believers vs non believers argument

god was not the point of my post.....

 

Is it really impossible for people to debate a point, and not keep getting side tracked about the garnish of the debate?

[carbon29er]

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Is it really impossible for people to debate a point, and not keep getting side tracked about the garnish of the debate?

Yes

[carbon29er]

Do not bring God into this!!!.........next thing this thread will be turned into a massive believers vs non believers argument that will get a lot of people worked up, and if that's  your plan......STOP

A higher being has nothing to do with us massive believers in the right to ride our bikes on any road we choose to. Without asking permission or apologising.

[Patchelicious]

Neither did god, what's your point?

I was asking him what his point was, that was the point of my post, if you cannot see that, well thats on you.

 

Do not bring God into this!!!.........next thing this thread will be turned into a massive believers vs non believers argument that will get a lot of people worked up, and if that's  your plan......STOP

 

Excuse me??? I have been trying to keep this thread on track and constructive, most people I think would agree with that, if you think that this was all a plan for me to derail it into a religious debate, please get over yourself. 

 

I was making a point, YOU are the one who is making it about something else, STOP IT.

 

ps: I was referring to Thor in any case, so no need to get offended.

[Pah Bear]

ps: I was referring to Thor in any case, so no need to get offended.

   

[Danger Dassie]

As far as I'm concerned, David van der Want won at life for his incredibly reasoned response. ****, part of me wants to print this out as billboard for every housing estate we see. 

David, I don't know you, but you deserve a Bells, ad infinitum ! 

 

 

Hi Guys

 

I saw Davids reply as per below.  Neil has be lawyered.

 

David van der Want • 2 days ago

Mr Holtshausen - I invite you to come on a 30 minute bike ride on the streets of Cape Town with me at a time that suits you. I own two bicycles and I am happy to lend you one if you don't have access to one. My hope is that this experience will illustrate to you two things - first, just how vulnerable one is on a bicycle in the streets and second, through this that you might discover an empathy for fellow road users that your article shows is currently hidden behind short sighted entitlement.

I also invite you to consider how some sections of your article might be viewed by a community of commuters and sportspeople who on an almost monthly basis read and hear about one of their number being killed by a careless motorist. The most recent of which is a young woman killed in the early hours of last Saturday morning outside Wellington by a young man driving to Stellenbosch barefoot. She was in the yellow line at the side of the road at the point of impact and was instantly killed. She was riding to meet her Dad for a training ride.

I think what you might learn on a 30 minute ride with me is that cyclists face an almost continuous barrage of aggressive and poor driving - the kind of driving that sees over 1700 people, 600 of them pedestrians, killed on our roads in the "festive" period. You face this driving armoured in the relative safety and false sense of security that the steel and plastic and airbags of your vehicle afford you.

I believe your article is inflammatory and irresponsible in the context of what is clearly a crisis on our roads. Instead of promoting a sense of empathy and understanding for people on the roads you adopt of posture of righteous indignation as if the existence of cyclists on the roads is an affront to your safety when in reality it is your attitude to cyclists evinced by your assertion that motorists should not be blamed for the death of a cyclist.

In a strange way this is already the case. The motorist who killed the young woman outside Wellington is unlikely to be severely punished.

The invitation to come for a ride is a sincere one - don't be too afraid - your bike will have a 700 lumen light on the front and a red light on the back visible at 2000 meters in daylight and I'll lend you a bright yellow stay wider of the rider shirt.

To all those who might be inclined to agree with this article I invite you, next time you see a cyclist on the road to consider that it might be me - a father, partner, contributing member of society and that all that stands between me and death on the bonnet of your car is your willingness to see me, and extend courtesy and understanding, even if it costs you 1 minute of your mad rush to the next red robot.

 

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[Patchelicious]

As far as I'm concerned, David van der Want won at life for his incredibly reasoned response. ****, part of me wants to print this out as billboard for every housing estate we see. 

 

David, I don't know you, but you deserve a Bells, ad infinitum ! 

WOW, that post made my day!

 

Judging by his rational approach, sincere and polite logic used, he must surely be an atheist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its a joke, before you gets your panties in a knot.

[Icycling]

All this about cycle license. My question is why isn't the public asking Pedestrians to pay a Pedestrian license? The Cities have spent vast sums of money on making pavement for Pedestrians over many years - far more than have spent on cycle paths - surely Pedestrians need to contribute to this?

 

As for cyclist been inconsiderate - when ever we ride towards the side of the road we are been considerate as mention by Rob Booth we have as much right to use the whole lane as the next vehicle!

[Quagga]

I dont want to argue, I was asking why the rule is only for cyclists?

 

Is it for the safety of the cyclist? (because looking at the history it does not matter if you can hear or not, the car will hit you anyway)\

 

Is it so cyclist can hear sirens? (then why about people who can not hear)

 

I am trying to understand the logic behind the rule. 

[Patchelicious]

I dont want to argue, I was asking why the rule is only for cyclists?

 

Is it for the safety of the cyclist? (because looking at the history it does not matter if you can hear or not, the car will hit you anyway)\

 

Is it so cyclist can hear sirens? (then why about people who can not hear)

 

I am trying to understand the logic behind the rule. 

 

I don't think I agree. How many more accidents would there have been IF people all wore earphones?

 

Cars will hit you regardless if you have lights, high viz jacket or a Good Year Blimp attached to you bike, but these all contribute in minimizing accident.

 

Hypothetically: You hear a car coming from behind, you move over slightly to the left, car comes past, you hear another, you stay left.... if you didn't hear the second one, you could have veered into the path of a car. Just an example.

 

So I think there could be some logic behind the thinking, the logic could be flawed on closer inspection, but at a glance, I can see that wearing headphones could impair senses that could lead to move accidents.