What is the PPA doing?

[Pure Savage]

Does that look like a cycling safety plan to you?

 

Its their plan for safe cycling.

[Pure Savage]

Why would PPA put so much money in to MTB cycling when they don't seem to make anything out of it? So if its the same mind set it's possible.

you can ask any MTB event, they do not get a special discount from Racetec. 

 

Even the PPA pay Racetec to time the Tour de PPA. If they pay for their own event why wouldnt a MTB event pay?

[Patchelicious]

you can ask any MTB event, they do not get a special discount from Racetec.

 

Even the PPA pay Racetec to time the Tour de PPA. If they pay for their own event why wouldnt a MTB event pay?

You are missing the point of his post.

[Patchelicious]

Its their plan for safe cycling.

That's not what I asked you.

[Pure Savage]

You are missing the point of his post.

I am replying to Peter

[Icycling]

you can ask any MTB event, they do not get a special discount from Racetec. 

 

Even the PPA pay Racetec to time the Tour de PPA. If they pay for their own event why wouldnt a MTB event pay?

The info is on the PPA web site on what timing costs PPA.

 

point 2

 

http://www.pedalpower.org.za/where-does-the-money-go/

 

But does timing itself cost more or less at race tec prices / running cost? Without details I have no idea.

 

What I do think is money badly spent is for an event of 100 MTB riders timing costing PPA R10 000 - that's R100 for a time. I do think however think for an event of say about 1000 road riders this past weekend timing costing PPA R12 700 - R12.70 per rider is kind of OK.

[Patchelicious]

I am replying to Peter

Yes, and missing the point of his post.

[Hairy]

Hairy, I didn't post that website link and my response was not aimed at PPA, but rather at Savages'

 

Seeing that you have inside info on the PPA, why not ask Mr Vogel on behalf of the Hub for an official response? That would be positively contributing to the cause and shedding light on the matter.

I have done my bit by finding out some info from a person at PPA.

 

You lot bashing the PPA or demanding information and reform of their policies and spending should surely do your own campaigning?

 

My post (Re funds) was in relation to a screen shot by another hubber in this thread, this I sent to a person, and the person replied as with the info I posted. Interesting you just assume I was chatting Rob V? Assumptions are the mother of all ....

 

The PPA should now be aware of this thread, and it is for them to contribute if they wish.

 

I feel my contributions to this thread are in a positive manner, even some members would feel they are opposing their views and opinions. I will also continue to contribute.

 

Please also go back to points such as post no. #162 showing that in my own way I have been fighting for safer roads for many years. Not posted before was when I was trying to meet with local gov. to further the safer roads campaigning as a concerned citizen kind of angle....all pre stay wider of the rider.

 

You will also see that if I agree with a poster, I click the like button, or comment in a manner supporting the point raised. This includes posts by members such as Icycling and carbon 29er, in the same way if I disagree, I will say so. I have tried to keep a neutral approach and intend to keep doing so.

 

RE your copy paste above:

 

I read into the posting that you were questioning if this is the PPA "Safe Cycling Plan"

 

If I miss understood you, my apologies.

 

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What safe cycling plan?

 

http://www.pedalpowe...ing-initiative/

 

They even made a webpage for you 

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Pure Savage, on 06 Feb 2017 - 5:21 PM, said:

http://www.pedalpowe...ing-initiative/

 

They even made a webpage for you 

Does that look like a cycling safety plan to you? 

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[Pure Savage]

That's not what I asked you.

 

Its obviously not a detailed enough plan that you require if thats the answer you are looking for.

 

Agreed they need a proper plan, with different time frames which should cover all aspects of cycling safety. 

[Hairy]

The info is on the PPA web site on what timing costs PPA.

 

point 2

 

http://www.pedalpower.org.za/where-does-the-money-go/

 

But does timing itself cost more or less at race tec prices / running cost? Without details I have no idea.

 

What I do think is money badly spent is for an event of 100 MTB riders timing costing PPA R10 000 - that's R100 for a time. I do think however think for an event of say about 1000 road riders this past weekend timing costing PPA R12 700 - R12.70 per rider is kind of OK.

do you really thiink that MTB events only attract a 100 riders and the roadie ones a 1000 ... so 10 x the number of participants?

 

if someone who does know more accurately the figures of participants, could you please comment?

[Pure Savage]

The info is on the PPA web site on what timing costs PPA.

 

point 2

 

http://www.pedalpower.org.za/where-does-the-money-go/

 

But does timing itself cost more or less at race tec prices / running cost? Without details I have no idea.

 

What I do think is money badly spent is for an event of 100 MTB riders timing costing PPA R10 000 - that's R100 for a time. I do think however think for an event of say about 1000 road riders this past weekend timing costing PPA R12 700 - R12.70 per rider is kind of OK.

 

Obviously the return would be better for even a small road event of 500. The other costs of people, entry admin still cost. 

 

Personally I wish they would host a road event every weekend at the cost of the tour de PPA

 

The committee that was voted in (The new peeps) are road based and the lady was very pro open streets/safe cycling. Lets see what they have accomplished in the background.

[Geronimo]

I think if they systematically go about erecting Warning / Caution signs on all the major routes used for training, it will help create an even better awareness of our presence on these routes.

 

A sign similar to this every Kilometer or so, will go a long way in creating the necessary awareness among the motorists.

 

 

http://www.hpepublichealth.ca/sites/default/files/3%20feet%20sign%20NEW.png

 

These signs are good but a drunk driver or someone being intimate with their cell phone will unfortunately not pay much attention and those are the bastards who are driving into us 

[Skubarra]

 

What I do think is money badly spent is for an event of 100 MTB riders timing costing PPA R10 000 - that's R100 for a time. I do think however think for an event of say about 1000 road riders this past weekend timing costing PPA R12 700 - R12.70 per rider is kind of OK.

 

Afaik racetec charge a fixed cost to event organisers for timing. I can't recall the exact numbers but for the event I was involved it was certainly more expensive than other timing companies (in fact we don't use them for the mtb anymore). So no cross-subsidies there.

 

 

General comment - I find this in-depth dissection of PPA's financials fairly pointless, don't know what you guys really expect to dig up, certainly not the solution to bicycling safety. 

[Pure Savage]

do you really thiink that MTB events only attract a 100 riders and the roadie ones a 1000 ... so 10 x the number of participants?

 

if someone who does know more accurately the figures of participants, could you please comment?

A quick look from the Paarl event this weekend: Road 770 MTB 80

 

But it may just be this event. 

[Patchelicious]

Hairy, you told me where the info came from so it's not an assumption. So please let's cut the crap.

 

Don't confuse my frustration with people defending PPA with me bashing the PPA.

 

If you want to defend them, that's cool, the just substantiate it.

 

I asked, and am still asking people on TheHub if THEY know what the PPA is doing on the cycling safety front.

 

If somebody said: The PPA is doing x,y,z over the next 12 months on these fronts, this conversation would be a lot more constructive.

 

But none of us know, so at the moment it's my speculation vs your speculation. This helps nobody, and it's detracting from why I started this thread.

[Pure Savage]

Afaik racetec charge a fixed cost to event organisers for timing. I can't recall the exact numbers but for the event I was involved it was certainly more expensive than other timing companies (in fact we don't use them for the mtb anymore). So no cross-subsidies there.

 

 

General comment - I find this in-depth dissection of PPA's financials fairly pointless, don't know what you guys really expect to dig up, certainly not the solution to bicycling safety. 

 

True. 

 

On that note: Today I noted Allan Winde on twitter was very active reprimanding businesses for parking in the cycle lane.