Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 Yes, for eg there is one on Chappies...??
Hairy Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 And less than half the previous years safe cycling budget.... that's not good.Ok, so I understand that the screen shot posted reflects a change in how the spend was reported. Actual vs budget. The 2016/2017 budget for safe cycling is around the R3.3m mark with development cycling at the R2.2m mark. Total Allocation = R5,439mil So not all gloom and doom?
Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 Hairy, you seem to have more info than most on PPA, but its obvious that its second hand (I mean this respectfuly). Do you have a buddy in the PPA or something? Where do you get the info from?
V12man Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 This thread is not about "how terrible the PPA is", please lets not take it there. This thread was about what they are doing. (Still hasn't been answered) and how we as a community can better engage with them.Just ask the PPA CEO a direct question... .... He was active a few days ago.... pretty sure he is watching this thread
V12man Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Ok, so I understand that the screen shot posted reflects a change in how the spend was reported. Actual vs budget. The 2016/2017 budget for safe cycling is around the R3.3m mark with development cycling at the R2.2m mark. Total Allocation = R5,439mil So not all gloom and doom?Well.. maybe... unfortunately I am not in the Cape - and therefore not a PPA member - so not really watching what PPA does at all (in fact I am not even sure what their mandate actually says) I just noticed the numbers shifted in a way that's not good for cycling safety... but Robert will be able to explain the budget/plans I am sure - if asked.
scotty Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Please pardon my ignorance... the PPA is only over the WC? Or are they country-wide? What exactly is the PPA's mandate? If only, WC why be concerned over cycling safety outside of WC in any case (ie fatal accidents)? Sorry, just feels like that actually very little is done towards safe cycling initiatives outside of the Republic of Cape Town. Not that anything IS done in the CT.... Sent from my SM-G925F using TapatalkUbuntu, your issue and challenges become my issue and challenges become our issue and challenges. Reading through the comments here there are those that see value, while others don't. If there is actual value then perhaps we need something like this in Gauteng which has the biggest number of cyclist's, the various Gauteng CSA provincial affiliates and clubs are doing diddly squat from what i can see.
Bloukrans Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 This thread is not about "how terrible the PPA is", please lets not take it there. This thread was about what they are doing. (Still hasn't been answered) and how we as a community can better engage with them.Patch, don't you think a good start will be to ask the PPA. As a PPA member ( I assume you are as you received the CEO's newsletter!), you have the right to ask the questions and I'm sure they will respond. Judging by previous PPA threads, I understand why they don't get involved on this platform.
Wannabe Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 you can't just put up road signs on public roads..government needs buy in to approve the signs, confirm to a certain standard, etc. advertising though is a viable option, but then you are looking at high costs and more than likely not ideally placed signs. I get what you are suggesting RE signs though. So, use their influence and lobby the WC Government to allow the erection of these signs. Quite sure if they do a good enough job of it, the WC Dept of Transport / Whoever, might just pitch in and donate towards this safety campaign, because that is exactly what it is.
Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 Patch, don't you think a good start will be to ask the PPA. As a PPA member ( I assume you are as you received the CEO's newsletter!), you have the right to ask the questions and I'm sure they will respond. Judging by previous PPA threads, I understand why they don't get involved on this platform.I am going to ask. That will answer my question. But I think we have stumbled across another very concerning point here, seems like nobody on the here knows what the PPA is doing about cycling safety and they seem ok with that. Which is a shame. I think that if they actively got involved here, they would get good input. Look at organizations that have positively engaged with the BikeHub.... CWC etc, there is merit is using any platform
Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 So, use their influence and lobby the WC Government to allow the erection of these signs. Quite sure if they do a good enough job of it, the WC Dept of Transport / Whoever, might just pitch in and donate towards this safety campaign, because that is exactly what it is.There you go.... nice seeing a solution finder posting for a change, instead of the myriad of issue finders.
Bloukrans Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 So, use their influence and lobby the WC Government to allow the erection of these signs. Quite sure if they do a good enough job of it, the WC Dept of Transport / Whoever, might just pitch in and donate towards this safety campaign, because that is exactly what it is.This is from the CEO newsletter: "I have requested a meeting with the MEC for Transport & Public Works. I’d like him to understand how fed-up we are as cyclists at being ignored on the road and with some drivers prepared to injure or even kill, just because they don’t see us as legitimate road users".
Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 Dear AndreYou are invited to apply to ride in the PPA Safe Cycling STAY WIDER OF THE RIDER start group 2J (07h17*) or 5C (08h46) at the 2017 Cape Town Cycle Tour.Show your support for safe cycling by riding the 2017 Cape Town Cycle Tour in a STAY WIDER OF THE RIDER jersey. And if you would like to ride in one of our two start groups, please apply using the link below!WHAT IS THE 'STAY WIDER OF THE RIDER' CAMPAIGN ABOUT?Visibility is a key contributing factor to cycling accidents. More than 84% of incidents happen when drivers hit cyclists from behind, with the drivers claiming that they never saw the cyclists. PPA's "Stay Wider of the Rider" cycling jerseys are made from a high-visibility lumo-yellow fabric that stands out during the day, and has additional reflective strips at the back for cycling at night. We urge you to be seen on the road... help us to spread the word by wearing a Stay Wider of the Rider jersey at the 2017 Cycle Tour, as well as when you cycle on the road.When you are driving your car as opposed to riding your bicycle, "Stay Wider of the Rider" also means passing cyclists at a distance of a metre or more which, incidentally, has been law in the Western Cape since 2013.We also urge you to be an example to other road users- whether you are in a car or on a bicycle- by sharing the road and being respectful towards other road users.VISIT US AT THE EXPOWe would like to invite you to visit the PPA stand at the Cape Town Cycle Tour Lifestyle Expo. Pledge your support to safe cycling and come and sign our pledge walls! You will also be able to buy a Safe Cycling jersey at a special price to our PPA members:Short Sleeve: R300Long Sleeve: R390Gilet (sleeveless windbreaker): R400We also will be selling sets of arm warmers (black or white; R120 per pair to PPA members) and safe cycling socks (R50 per pair to PPA members).HOW DO YOU GET INTO ONE OF THE SAFE CYCLING START GROUPS?PPA has been allocated 200 spots per start group for the 2017 Cape Town Cycle Tour. Please note that for the 2J Start Group, seeding parameters apply. Want to improve your seeding to see if you can get into Group 2J? Come and ride the PPA Hill Climb on Sunday 29 January, and/or the Tour de PPA on Sunday 26 February - see www.pedalpower.org.za for more information on these events.Applications for the two start groups will be taken online only and will close at 17h00 on Friday 10 February 2017. NO LATE APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED.So how do you get accepted into one of these start groups?You must already be successfully entered into the 2017 Cape Town Cycle Tour. You agree to ride the entire Cycle Tour in the current 'STAY WIDER OF THE RIDER' cycling jersey. The old 2013/2014 'Stay Alive at 1.5m' jerseys will unfortunately not be accepted into the start chutes. The new 'lumo' yellow jerseys can be ordered online at www.pedalpower.org.za; and can be bought from our offices in Kenilworth; as well as at the Cycle Tour Expo. If you are accepted and seeded into one of these start groups, you will not receive an individual Cycle Tour seeding/number as well. Please note that we can unfortunately not guarantee that you will be accepted into a Safe Cycling start group.In order to be considered for the Safe Cycling start group, please click on this link and complete the application online via https://online.entries.co.za/entries/jointeam.aspx?eid=3931&group=19c74da1-ae84-4d26-8c0c-566bbc8574...There is no cost associated with this application. You will be asked to include a short motivation, stating why you would like to ride in one of these start groups and how you feel the campaign benefits cyclists.All cyclists who had entered the Cycle Tour will be notified by the Cycle Tour via email as to their seeding for the event. If your application to be reseeded into the PPA Stay Wider of the Rider start group is NOT successful, you will remain seeded in your original Cycle Tour start group.*Seeding parameters will be applied to the 2J start group.Yours in cyclingThe PPA Team
scotty Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 you can't just put up road signs on public roads..government needs buy in to approve the signs, confirm to a certain standard, etc. advertising though is a viable option, but then you are looking at high costs and more than likely not ideally placed signs. I get what you are suggesting RE signs though.Correct but can be done, We had a hubber Shaun Hannie who did exactly that, approached the road agencies for approval to put up signs, received donations (I recall even BigH donated) for manufacture of signs then erected them, this was an individual who took initiative Not CSA, NOT PPA, NOT CGC.
andydude Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 And less than half the previous years safe cycling budget.... that's not good.Good pointMakes this thread more relevant As I have stated previously, their income from subs decreased by 50% from R7 to R3.5 million. The lower spend on safety is a symptom. The cause is less income. And as icycling pointed out, their fixed costs and salaries have increased, probably in anticipation of larger incomes, but the opposite has happened!
Patchelicious Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 As I have stated previpusly, their income from subs decreased by 50% from R7 to R3.5 million. The lower spend on safety is a symptom. The cause is less income. And as icycling pointed out, their fixed costs and salaries have increased, probably in anticipation of larger incomes, but the opposite has happened! Why has their income dropped?
dirtrider Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Why PPA ? Have I missed something ? Who do I pay my license fees to these days ?
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