Wannabe Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Heard about it, glad you guys are safe. I wanted to join a group going to Franschoek, with the intention of me turning back at top of Hells and return alone. I was wary of Kayamandi, and decided not to go with them. Seems to have been the right decision.
Karman de Lange Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 another Kayamandi Stellenbosch incident, luckily with a different outcome..... 4 x riders and 3 x attackers.... one pulled knife and approached me ready to attack. Luckily for me i was alert and had my pepper-spray ready... Sprayed his a.. and they retreated.... Could've been a very different outcome. seems as if things are becoming a regular occurrence again in this area....be safe guysHi, what time of day was it?
Mental Mamba Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Sorry Sunday around 16h00 coming out of Stellies
Mental Mamba Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Heard about it, glad you guys are safe. I wanted to join a group going to Franschoek, with the intention of me turning back at top of Hells and return alone. I was wary of Kayamandi, and decided not to go with them. Seems to have been the right decision.Also wanted to join them and return the same way....decided to go pedal the afternoon ....
Karman de Lange Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Sorry Sunday around 16h00 coming out of Stellies Thnaks.. I see PPA said will have extra patrols for one tonner at these hotspots,, hopefully one day we will have a justice system that will keep these guys off the street..
Robbie Stewart Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 another Kayamandi Stellenbosch incident, luckily with a different outcome..... 4 x riders and 3 x attackers.... one pulled knife and approached me ready to attack. Luckily for me i was alert and had my pepper-spray ready... Sprayed his a.. and they retreated.... Could've been a very different outcome. seems as if things are becoming a regular occurrence again in this area....be safe guys So the (thankfully) soon to be ex Mayor lived up to her promises by not doing what she said she would? One can't really complain, since she is too busy suing people for a reputation in tatters to care about a few random attacks on cyclists. This from a municipality that is trying hard to get this city cycle-centered. Glad you came out unscathed.
thisismyotherbike Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 So the (thankfully) soon to be ex Mayor lived up to her promises by not doing what she said she would? One can't really complain, since she is too busy suing people for a reputation in tatters to care about a few random attacks on cyclists. This from a municipality that is trying hard to get this city cycle-centered. Glad you came out unscathed.Are you referring to the executive mayor of Cape Town or the executive mayor of Stellenbosch Gesie Van Deventer?
Mental Mamba Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 THIS IS WHAT I MAILED THIS MORNING Hi All It is with a sombre heart that I again have to bring the matter of cyclists being attacked at Kayamandi as a topic of discussion. I wish to reiterate my willingness to work towards viable solutions to try and reduce the risk of attacks on cyclists coming too and leaving your town. Some feedback: 23/10/2017 Attacked by 4 men 2 with knives, injured and robbed of Cell Phone. 21/10/2018 Attempted attack by 3 men, one pulled a knife, I was lucky as I was alert and retaliated by spraying them with pepper gas, they retreated and ran away. Note that these are not the only incidents for this year as we have received multiple reports from other cyclists. With the above in mind I wish to draw your attention to meetings held and certain comments that were made with regards to security.. Meeting with Quintin: Hi Quintin Our meeting of Friday 27/10/2017 has reference: Firstly a rundown as to what was discussed… You were of the opinion that the R304 @ specifically Kayamandi has been a problem area for some time and that you were aware of such.You had security in the area and for 18 months there were 0 incidentsYou had tried to use communities members to secure this area after the external contract security had expired but this failed due to intimidationYou have had meetings with the SAPS and other units to discuss the issues in particular the assault and robbery of cyclists at the above areaYou have budgetary constraintsStellenbosch Municipality was busy working on a long term solutionCCTV has been approved but this would be for 2018 budgetThe interim solution would be to put a security person at staggered timesYou welcome any input from cyclistsCyclists are considered a value to Stellenbosch and you do carry our interest at heart and would do all necessary to try and assistYou would be having meetings with Thorburn etc to see where they would be able to assistI would communicate with our cycling groups to see if we could get preferred cycle times as an interim solutionA negative 2018 world cup “UCI member robbery” could have dire consequences to Stellenbosch as a safe cycling haven , as per Mr David Botha Based on the above could you please let me know where we are and what interim solutions have been implemented if any. I await your favourable response Note that to date I have not received any reply to the above mail sent on 31/10/2017 Meeting held with Honorable Mayoress Van Deventer Again certain short term solutions were discussed. It is concerning to me that so little is being done to reduce the risks associated to cyclists, It more and more seems like money is of greater importance that safety. We come to you beautiful town as it is a nice route to cycle from Durbanville, Franschoek, Even as far as Paarl. We support your local businesses where we stop off for coffee, breakfast and other . The question however is, how long should we continue being threatened, robbed of our belongings and even injured until you really make a concerted effort to help us reduce these risks on us personally and our belongings? How long are you going to turn a blind eye and hope that this issue will go away? Are you going to wait until a cyclist is killed by one of these thugs and just becomes another statistic or a cyclists shoots one of these thugs and then becomes the criminal for defending him/herself before you decide to do anything? It is your responsibility to ensure that everything possible is being done to protect you citizens and visitors to your town. If you are not interested in our safety as cyclists, “ which I must say seems to be the case” please inform us of this and we will no longer cycle to your town and contribute to its economy. This has been left for a year now and I am in outdated with queries from fellow cyclist as to what is being done from committee level to address this issue. Please can I ask that this matter is now taken seriously, addressed accordingly and that I am informed of the actions taken by the Stellenbosch Municipality to reduce this threat hanging over us every time we come to your town. I also wish to place on record that we try and reduce the threat on ourselves as much as possible but can only do so much. Should I or any other cyclist again be attacked at this area “Kayamadi” and either be injured or loose any personal belongings as a result of the failure of the Stellenbosch municipality not taking serious action we will be hold the executive committee of the Stellenbosch municipality personally liable for such injuries and or loss and will gather as much cyclists as possible to initiate a class action suit. Please understand that this is not a threat but a plea from me personally to start taking this matter very seriously and not just talk about the issue on hand but actually do something about it. Kind Regards Norman K. Van Rooyen
thisismyotherbike Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 another Kayamandi Stellenbosch incident, luckily with a different outcome..... 4 x riders and 3 x attackers.... one pulled knife and approached me ready to attack. Luckily for me i was alert and had my pepper-spray ready... Sprayed his a.. and they retreated.... Could've been a very different outcome. seems as if things are becoming a regular occurrence again in this area....be safe guysGlad you came out unscathed (if perhaps a bit rattled?)! Were you using a fog or gel type spray? Did they immediately turn tail? Sounds like the pepper spray is an effective deterrent assuming you are alert and ready to use it. That's not always possible in a high speed situation.
Robbie Stewart Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Are you referring to the executive mayor of Cape Town or the executive mayor of Stellenbosch Gesie Van Deventer? Patricia... apologies, I did not know Stellies has there own mayor...(but they're all politicians - groot bek, niks binnegoed)
Mental Mamba Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Glad you came out unscathed (if perhaps a bit rattled?)! Were you using a fog or gel type spray? Did they immediately turn tail? Sounds like the pepper spray is an effective deterrent assuming you are alert and ready to use it. That's not always possible in a high speed situation.IT IS PEPPER KO JET... THEY STOPPED IN THEIR TRACKS AGREED...NEED TO BE ALERT, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS KNOWN TO BE HOT SPOTS...
Robbie Stewart Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Just came across this pearl... I am getting myself and the wife one each. I will also have one or two for home use availability. https://www.sabrered.co.za/products/pepper-sprays/sabre-cyclist-pepper-spray-with-adjustable-bike-strap-black-detail.html
Wannabe Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Been carrying one for many years now. Sweat has almost removed all the branding/sticker on it, but It still works, had to use it on a charging dog the other day. Stops an aggressive taxi driver in his tracks, also. Just got very expensive, paid R175 for mine, and even then I thought it a bit steep.
Robbie Stewart Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Been carrying one for many years now. Sweat has almost removed all the branding/sticker on it, but It still works, had to use it on a charging dog the other day. Stops an aggressive taxi driver in his tracks, also. Just got very expensive, paid R175 for mine, and even then I thought it a bit steep. I will happily pay R350 for the pleasure of repelling an imminent attack. I got munched on by an excited dog in May, and it meant the end of a ride which had just started, and took me to ER for stitches. Also, if I can get a human mongrel to change his mind before attacking, that too will be worth the price to pay for it.
Dirkitech Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Glad you came out unscathed (if perhaps a bit rattled?)! Were you using a fog or gel type spray? Did they immediately turn tail? Sounds like the pepper spray is an effective deterrent assuming you are alert and ready to use it. That's not always possible in a high speed situation.I also use the stream spray, just like mental mamba. The fog is asking for painful trouble. It works well- also used it on taxi's, road raging bmw drivers, hawkers touching my windscreen wipers and mirrors, no one has braved to take it on before. Also worked on a pitbull that jumped a fence and chased me. There was a thread about this earlier this year, maybe around June. I will happily pay R350 for the pleasure of repelling an imminent attack. I got munched on by an excited dog in May, and it meant the end of a ride which had just started, and took me to ER for stitches. Also, if I can get a human mongrel to change his mind before attacking, that too will be worth the price to pay for it.I'm not sure why that product you linked prior is so expensive, especially since it seems like a small bottle that will last 3-5 determined sprays. I also paid about R120 per bottle last year and thought this better last for this price, but like you said, anything is better during the interim. Wondering if I should make a thread to gauge interest in bulk bought pepper spray, perhaps with a different easier-to-use-mounted head?
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