shaper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 I noticed Lucy Charles had the water tank lid flapping in the wind for most of the ride.Also noticed that from early on the cycle leg. Don't think this Shiv will be around for long and cannot see many AG's considering it.
Craai Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Also noticed that from early on the cycle leg. Don't think this Shiv will be around for long and cannot see many AG's considering it.Man, I would be peeved as a pro if I made every effort to absolutely maximize every Watt possible, and then your bike sponsor gives you an air brake for 180km
ScottCM Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Power fine for the bike leg of Sanders http://home.trainingpeaks.com/public/workout/DRGAEVUTT6V6HIHNFF3DLIZKLY
dave303e Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Power fine for the bike leg of Sanders Untitled.jpg http://home.trainingpeaks.com/public/workout/DRGAEVUTT6V6HIHNFF3DLIZKLY Nothing wrong with his bike leg But if you consider he lost 35 mins in the swim and run legs doesn't matter how good at cycling you are you will not pull 35mins on these guys on the bike alone.Ryf was 10mins slower than Sanders on the bike, yet overall she was 5mins faster.
ScottCM Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Nothing wrong with his bike leg But if you consider he lost 35 mins in the swim and run legs doesn't matter how good at cycling you are you will not pull 35mins on these guys on the bike alone.Ryf was 10mins slower than Sanders on the bike, yet overall she was 5mins faster. Couldn't agree with you more.
Chris_ Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Ryf ran the 15th fastest marathon on the day. Anne Haug 12th!
_David_ Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Can see that Ryf was pushing hard to catch Lucy on the bike - I think she caught her with 20km to go.
shaper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Nothing wrong with his bike leg But if you consider he lost 35 mins in the swim and run legs doesn't matter how good at cycling you are you will not pull 35mins on these guys on the bike alone.Ryf was 10mins slower than Sanders on the bike, yet overall she was 5mins faster.I disagree, If you look at his Intensity Factor (IF) of 0.81 he was pushing way too hard trying to make up for lost time. A general rule of thumb is that for a full Ironman IF should be 0.7-0.76 https://bikeraceinfo.com/training-fitness/tri-power-meter.htmlhttps://www.triradar.com/training-advice/training-with-a-power-meter/ These guys are super human so expect them to be at the top end of the IF or just over, but to be pushing an IF of 0,81 for over 4hrs, unless you are a super strong runner is going to affect your run... which it did!! He ran a 3:15:26 which was the slowest run time of the top 29 in which he finished 28th. Even a 25-29 Age Group athlete who was only 4 mins behind him ran a faster run And is probably why Ryf was faster as she managed her pacing on the bike better.
_David_ Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 I disagree, If you look at his Intensity Factor (IF) of 0.81 he was pushing way too hard trying to make up for lost time. A general rule of thumb is that for a full Ironman IF should be 0.7-0.76 https://bikeraceinfo.com/training-fitness/tri-power-meter.htmlhttps://www.triradar.com/training-advice/training-with-a-power-meter/ These guys are super human so expect them to be at the top end of the IF or just over, but to be pushing an IF of 0,81 for over 4hrs, unless you are a super strong runner is going to affect your run... which it did!! He ran a 3:15:26 which was the slowest run time of the top 29 in which he finished 28th. Even a 25-29 Age Group athlete who was only 4 mins behind him ran a faster run And is probably why Ryf was faster as she managed her pacing on the bike better. Thanks for this, I just learned something new!
shaper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Thanks for this, I just learned something new!If you race with a power meter and use it for pacing, worth reading https://www.takealot.com/training-and-racing-with-a-power-meter-2nd-ed-ebook/PLID37576306?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9ouN3rOI3gIVjrXtCh2qOgklEAQYASABEgIfofD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Review of the book Training and Racing with a Power Meter https://medium.com/critical-powers/book-review-training-and-racing-with-a-power-meter-1ceaa388cf93 Edit: Majority of the book is about understanding power meter outputs and all the numbers, profiling to identify you weaknesses and there is a chapter on triathlons and pacing... especially with regard to undulating course, and when to tap-off or attack the pacing Also worth a read https://www.takealot.com/the-power-meter-handbook/PLID35531029
dave303e Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Shaper, thanks for that info as well, definitely need to read up on it more my side
shaper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Shaper, thanks for that info as well, definitely need to read up on it more my sideIt definitely works since I started pacing using my PM, my runs have got faster without compromising my overall times and did my PB 70.3 run (1:40) at IM70.3WC this year. With regard to the intensity factor, AG's will be at the lower end with the Pro's at the higher end. They can maintain, we fade lol ........If you do more reading on it, the numbers correlate pretty well and have been around for a while. Is also good for post race analysis too when you review your bike leg and look at both the IF and VI numbers in relation to race conditions and how you felt on the day.... generally whether you left something out on the course and could have pushed harder. The only down side is you need to have an accurate FTP.... so regular puke sessions are in order
shaper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Shaper are you going to be at Kona next year?I wish !! .........but as not doing a full next year (decided to do 2 Oceans instead), won't be even considering it........ maybe 2020 Think the closest I will ever get is having a holiday in Kona and watching whilst taking in the vibe!!!
_David_ Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Man, I would be peeved as a pro if I made every effort to absolutely maximize every Watt possible, and then your bike sponsor gives you an air brake for 180km Sarah True & Gomez's bikes had the water tank taped, Lucy Charles had the lid flapping in the wind, Tim Don had a bottle wedged between his saddle and the lid and looks like Currie had a rubber band on the downtube to hold the Bentobox in the frame? https://www.tririg.com/galleries.php?id=2018_10_Ironman_Hawaii_Race_Day&num=18
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