The Veganism Thread

[Patchelicious]

What's the Reader's Digest version of this? 

 

What do you mean by that?

 

The video was posted at 11:46, your commented at 11:54. The video is 28 minutes long?

 

Have you actually watched it before, or are you going to dismiss it in its entirety because its an opposing view?

Edited January 30, 2019 by Patchelicious

[Odinson]

What do you mean by that?

 

The video was posted at 11:46, your commented at 11:54. The video is 28 minutes long?

 

Have you actually watched it before, or are you going to dismiss it in its entirety because its an opposing view?

 

Calm your tits. 

 

I was asking for that exact same reason. I don't have time today to watch a 30min podcast excerpt. Throw in the other video and then it's an hour just to be able to understand what the post is about. 

 

Edit: Thus, for those who have watched it, what are the broad strokes? 

Edited January 30, 2019 by Odinson

[Patchelicious]

Calm your tits. 

 

I was asking for that exact same reason. I don't have time today to watch a 30min podcast excerpt. Throw in the other video and then it's an hour just to be able to understand what the post is about. 

 

Edit: Thus, for those who have watched it, what are the broad strokes?  

Thats really not necessary. I was asking honestly, as its a follow up on a post I made a page or two back about consciously making decisions to watch and read things from the opposite of the coin to avoid getting trapped in a echo chamber.

[Odinson]

Thats really not necessary. I was asking honestly, as its a follow up on a post I made a page or two back about consciously making decisions to watch and read things from the opposite of the coin to avoid getting trapped in a echo chamber.

 

You assumed I was on the attack without watching the video. That's generally not my style.

 

I'm open to constructive discussions, but folks have got to put the work in. We shouldn't have to spend hours watching YT videos to try and understand what a poster is getting at. 

[Patchelicious]

What's the Reader's Digest version of this? 

Anecdotal, non expert: health, weight, consciousness, depression and sleep improvements. Much along the lines of Thors previous pst.

Edited January 30, 2019 by Patchelicious

[Patchelicious]

You assumed I was on the attack without watching the video. That's generally not my style.

 

I'm open to constructive discussions, but folks have got to put the work in. We shouldn't have to spend hours watching YT videos to try and understand what a poster is getting at. 

No I did not, I asked if you are going to dismiss it without watching it. Still no reason to lower the discussion to insults. But honestly, Im not going to get side tracked more by that. Lets just move on.

 

When you post "pro vegan" videos, I watch them before commenting on them. Thats just my style. I answered your question above. 

Edited January 30, 2019 by Patchelicious

[Edition 507]

Plants don't like being eaten part 2:

 

[Edition 507]

What's the Reader's Digest version of this? 

Reader's Digest version is #MeatHeals

[Uni]

that video is an example of an eating plan that worked for 3 people. 

like any other fad or diet of the month , it works for some and not for others, at the end of the day, my take on it: our bodies, and our emotional health is very much reliant on what we consume. These 3 people seemed to have cut out a bunch of other bad stuff, not just greens. My layman opinion if you only eat one category of food, as long as it's natural and not something like say McDonalds, yes you will be healthier, you will lose weight (probably because you're bored of eating) 

 

If you're following a vegan diet for health reasons, it may not work for everyone, but if you're doing it out of empathy to sentient beings being used as food, then yes, it works.  Every bit of less animal product consumed will make a difference in lessening the suffering of animals. 

Apparently in South Africa 19 million chickens are slaughtered a WEEK for food. That madness. 

[Thor Buttox]

Anecdotal, non expert: health, weight, consciousness, depression and sleep improvements. Much along the lines of Thors previous pst.

Uhm... Not sure whether to high-5 you or request you soothe your nips for the second time today?

[Odinson]

No I did not, I asked if you are going to dismiss it without watching it. Still no reason to lower the discussion to insults. But honestly, Im not going to get side tracked more by that. Lets just move on.

 

When you post "pro vegan" videos, I watch them before commenting on them. Thats just my style. I answered your question above. 

 

Okay, okay. The reference to your mammaries were in jest.

 

No hard feelings and no ill intent on my side. 

[Odinson]

Anecdotal, non expert: health, weight, consciousness, depression and sleep improvements. Much along the lines of Thors previous pst.

 

 

Reader's Digest version is #MeatHeals

 

Thought as much. 

 

Before really getting into the carnivore diet, I think it's important that we're all on the same page that veganism is a set of principles/ethical position which seeks to reduce as far as practicable animal cruelty and exploitation. Obviously diet is an element of that. The carnivore diet is exactly that - a diet. To my knowledge, it is not an ethical position or a moral philosophy. 

 

Thus, when people like to pit vegan vs carnivore, that is fundamentally incorrect. The discussion should be a plant-based diet compared to this carnivore diet. 

[Patchelicious]

Thought as much. 

 

Before really getting into the carnivore diet, I think it's important that we're all on the same page that veganism is a set of principles/ethical position which seeks to reduce as far as practicable animal cruelty and exploitation. Obviously diet is an element of that. The carnivore diet is exactly that - a diet. To my knowledge, it is not an ethical position or a moral philosophy. 

 

Thus, when people like to pit vegan vs carnivore, that is fundamentally incorrect. The discussion should be a plant-based diet compared to this carnivore diet. 

 

I am not sure people are pitting them as a one vs the other. There are a million diet choices between pure vegan and pure carnivore.

 

I think what people are saying, well I am saying, its that I agree, veganism is a set of principles and ethical positions as you say. So base the argument for veganism on that.

 

Once you introduce the absolute "eating only plants makes you healthier" statement, you open it up to some very good and reputable studies that could contradict that.

[Patchelicious]

Uhm... Not sure whether to high-5 you or request you soothe your nips for the second time today?

That might cause me to lactate, and we know how we feel about mammal milk on this thread.

[Odinson]

Regarding the 'carnivore diet', I think we can all agree that we instinctively know that eating only meat is not natural to the human species and that this is a fad diet. 

 

Being a fad diet which has only recently reared its head, there is basically no research done on the health outcomes of persons eating this way. Has any public health body ever recommended anything close to a 'carnivore' diet? So, if you want to bet your long term health on #meatheals then go right ahead.

 

Stick a typical day's carnivorous eating in cronometer and the only thing that is going to look rosy is your rock hard stools:

 

 

Like Uni said, this could result in some weight loss for some people in that they're eliminating processed foods and basically could even go into ketosis. However, I can see no basis on which this is health promoting, especially in the long term. You'll be chronically micro-nutrient deficient and your going to turn your microbiome into a dust bowl. 

 

I guess Peterson is going to have to invest in some fancy porcelain veneers once all his teeth start falling out of his mouth. 

[Eldron]

As an fervent Jordan Peterson fan, I found this video very interesting. This might cause some controversy with regards to the health aspect of veganism.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLF29w6YqXs

I think you should believe the opening line where the guy says he isn't an expert and doesn't recommend any diet.

 

It's flippin dangerous taking any diet advice from any "moving meme" whether pro or anti veganism.