Jbr Posted September 15, 2021 Share 9 minutes ago, Arrie said: thats why WP Cycling should run with all the events, they are much more efficient it's easier to be more efficient in the matter of seeding with self seeded events Wannabe, bleedToWin and DieselnDust 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDJ Posted September 15, 2021 Share 32 minutes ago, Arrie said: thats why WP Cycling should run with all the events, they are much more efficient WP Cycling ... the same guys who forgot about our whole start group last weekend at the Worcester event, only to first try deny/then cancel/then scramble a support car (that got lost took us on a few u-turns) to kick-off the long open group on a shortened route ????. I understand its tough to organize these things, but I've always found the PPA related/fun rides more supportive of general riders ... CTCT is after all largely a fun ride for the majority of us. Its great to have multiple organizing bodies IMHO though - healthy competition with options to suit everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedToWin Posted September 15, 2021 Share 1 hour ago, MDJ said: WP Cycling ... the same guys who forgot about our whole start group last weekend at the Worcester event, only to first try deny/then cancel/then scramble a support car (that got lost took us on a few u-turns) to kick-off the long open group on a shortened route ????. I understand its tough to organize these things, but I've always found the PPA related/fun rides more supportive of general riders ... CTCT is after all largely a fun ride for the majority of us. Its great to have multiple organizing bodies IMHO though - healthy competition with options to suit everyone. cat1 commissaire also got lost. We just stayed on route while he did his u-turns. Mmultiple organizing bodies is indeed a good idea, and I feel the bar is low enough that anyone can join and will be well received at this point. Jbr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedToWin Posted September 20, 2021 Share Seeding out via http://seeding.cycletour.co.za/riderseeding.aspx Beta of 1.03 and winning time adjusted by 6min30. What schmucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbr Posted September 20, 2021 Share 18 minutes ago, bleedToWin said: Seeding out via http://seeding.cycletour.co.za/riderseeding.aspx Beta of 1.03 and winning time adjusted by 6min30. What schmucks... it gives me an index of 9,24 vs 11,55 for the PPA Sportive #1, is it the lower the better ? I find it surprising as I thought both races were kind of similar results for me, not sure what the beta and adjusted time are ? Beta is higher if the race was very difficult ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedToWin Posted September 20, 2021 Share Lower is better yes. ((T_you - T_winner) / T_winner ) * (1 / beta) Basically how far behind the (adjusted) winning time did you finish expressed as a percentage of said winning time, with a beta to adjust this based on route and weather conditions (not thumb sucked, it should be a curve fit based on all participants). The value is meant to be how much slower you are expected to be than CTCT winner, so lower will be used. If the winning time is 2h30, you are expected to finish 9.24% behind that, so 2h44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted September 21, 2021 Share On 9/20/2021 at 7:59 AM, bleedToWin said: Seeding out via http://seeding.cycletour.co.za/riderseeding.aspx Beta of 1.03 and winning time adjusted by 6min30. What schmucks... Given that you only need an index of about 20 to get into the CTCT racing groups this year I think its fine? (Assuming because of lower entries & everybody's seeding taking a whack due to lack of races the requirements are far more forgiving) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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