bruce Posted July 20, 2008 Share Bruce' date=' shouldn't there be some sort of trails then? The problem as I see it ( as a complete outsider and uninformed person, I admit) is having a National Championship at all, which will then always create a problem with selection. I guess it's an inherent problem with a sport that is both a team and an individual sport. I mean, if we ratjher used a National Race results e.g. the Vets Superseries ladder systema nd take the top 3 or 4 in each class, that will also cause problems won't it - the strongest teams will then have most of the top riders and better riders may not be selected. [/quote'] Not necessarily. Racing the SuperSeries has been detrimental to Craig, Marco and myself in terms of results - tactics-wise, we have been racing for Jock and burying ourselves. Proper selection actually requires an intimate knowledge and involvement in the racing. Which is why I would propose that some of the places are based on a rider vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share Selection for vets world is always a joke!!!!!!!Sa Cycling offer No fanancial help to get riders over there. I was selected last year . All I got was a phone call for my fax number as they wanted to mail me the SA cycling kit price list!!! I haven't even heard of half the guys selected !!! And its not a true reflection of which vets are the strongset in the country To the selectors!!! GO F#CK yourselves!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racman Posted July 20, 2008 Share get your point. Again the problem of the combination of a team and individual sport. rider vote is probably the only solution then. However, this means a serious lack of job justification for selectors then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted July 20, 2008 Share Selection for vets world is always a joke!!!!!!!Sa Cycling offer No fanancial help to get riders over there. I was selected last year . All I got was a phone call for my fax number as they wanted to mail me the SA cycling kit price list!!! I haven't even heard of half the guys selected !!! And its not a true reflection of which vets are the strongset in the country To the selectors!!! GO F#CK yourselves!!!!!! Fighting talk so early on a sunday morning.... Maybe your ride wasn't hard enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share If they want to get results why not set up SA teams !! I dont see SARFU sending 10 players to thr Tri Nations!! so why send 2 or 3 riders to worlds to compete against 10-12 man strong italian teams! And for f@ck sakes !!!!!!why let they guys know alittle over a month away!!! don't these clowns know that all vets have familys and jobs!!! try get air tickets to go to Austria now!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share Selection for vets world is always a joke!!!!!!! Sa Cycling offer No fanancial help to get riders over there. I was selected last year . All I got was a phone call for my fax number as they wanted to mail me the SA cycling kit price list!!! I haven't even heard of half the guys selected !!! And its not a true reflection of which vets are the strongset in the country To the selectors!!! GO F#CK yourselves!!!!!! Fighting talk so early on a sunday morning.... Maybe your ride wasn't hard enough! Maybe you should come join us on a Sunday stroll then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted July 20, 2008 Share Maybe you should come join us on a Sunday stroll then Thanks but no thanks... I don't bleed too well through the eyes... Also, I haven't seen a White guy this angry since they cancelled 'Agter elke man', my guess is you have enough energy to snap cranks right now so I'll stick to my talking pace ride... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share Maybe you should come join us on a Sunday stroll then Thanks but no thanks... I don't bleed too well through the eyes... Also' date=' I haven't seen a White guy this angry since they cancelled 'Agter elke man', my guess is you have enough energy to snap cranks right now so I'll stick to my talking pace ride... [/quote'] If I were to go to worlds I sure wouldn't been riding in SA kit ! Dave Garret a reserve!!!!! This guy got a top 10 at worlds last year!!!! he should have got an automatic selection!!! He's been there, I think on more than one occasion and has spent some time racing in Europe ! so he knows what its all about!! 101%2008-07-20 02:34:04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racman Posted July 20, 2008 Share 101% you forget, Pantani's bling Cervelo is made for show, not go !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share 101% you forget' date=' Pantani's bling Cervelo is made for show, not go !!![/quote'] He'll Fit in Nicely here in the east rand !!!! I'm sure Verner koekemoer would be impressed with pantani's Bling!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted July 20, 2008 Share OK, jokes aside.... 101% I think it's because you guys don't go and contest the big "Fun Ride Champs" races... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted July 20, 2008 Share I look at that list and there are a few names there that look like they were pulled from a hat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101% Posted July 20, 2008 Share OK' date=' jokes aside.... 101% I think it's because you guys don't go and contest the big "Fun Ride Champs" races... [/quote'] SA has alot of good vets racing I think thereare guys out there capable of getting medals. 30+ Why not send a team there to help guys like jaco and Jock I don't think Sa selectors know that cycling is a team sport.101%2008-07-20 02:30:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Lem Posted July 20, 2008 Share At the AGM in April we had to vote new selectors in. Andrew McLean was the only serving veteran selector according to the 2007 annual report. And according to the CSA website he is a veteran selector along with Jan vd Berg. I remember there were basically no nominations for vets selectors. You cant just go on the national champs, there was a season of vets pro series as well. And its no use picking a rider like me if I medal at SA's cause Im a wheelsucker, you need the hard men that can sit with the elites.Coming back to selectors, its up to the vets to make sure that they propose selectors via their clubs and provinces. So you dont need a voting system of riders, get the guys in as selectors.Abdul, the new track commisioner arranged assistance to the track masters team, surely the road comm could do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butafly Posted July 20, 2008 Share ag wake up guys , you are treating your SPORT like a job. send the national champ in his age category. period. if CSA aren't paying for you to go to worlds and you feel strongly about going, select yourself and go as an individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted July 20, 2008 Share Now you guys and girls can all see why SA cycling is so weak. We have a selector that no one knows...................and he must also be blind and deaf, because we have never seen nor spoken to him. CyclingSA, please look at yourselves, you are taking our licence fees every year and F@*KING up. It's common sense to look at all riders and speak to their managers and race officials to find out more about what happens week in and week out during races. If i was in their shoes, I would ask people like Carel (TCS), Doug (MTN CLUB 100), Du Sart (Mr Price), Petro (Cycle Lab) and who ever else manages these Vet's Team, who are the strong riders, who makes the racing, which team's control the racing. Because a rider is not in a break, that does not make him useless. His job on the day is to control the bunch so the break is not caught. Each rider in a team has a job. Rider like Christie, Spinnerkop, the Labuscagne brothers and many more, all need to considered, for their contribution to the outcome of a race. Cycling is a team sport. You should send complete teams to contest the World's. Like a TCS Team, reason.........their will all work for Jaco. I can't see why Chris, Jock or Jaco will work for each other. Do the selectors know that Garrett and Werner Moolman have been planning this trip for the past 7 months. NO. I am not their manager, but i know this sort of info, why because we talk. So sorry mr selector, you not doing your job. Like 101% said, Dave did the Worlds last year and did very well. He now know's what it takes to do well at this event. I bet the selector does not know this. With regards to Werner, he rode the Giro this year in preparations for the Worlds. His TT riding stands him head and shoulders above most, because the riding at the Worlds is fast and on narrow roads, where your abillity to hold on to the wheel is like life or death. I won't even bother about commenting on why more Absolute Systems Bulk Pack Meat riders are not selected. On the riders selected, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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