Chrispy Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why don't the distributors and shop owners have a live debate on SuperCycling so we can get to the bottom of this conspiracy????What do the Hubbers say???Should we have a poll???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtrider Posted September 29, 2008 Share No . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El Posted September 29, 2008 Share I would love to watch that, but it will never happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfm1 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why don't the distributors and shop owners have a live debate on SuperCycling so we can get to the bottom of this conspiracy???? What do the Hubbers say???Should we have a poll????   Why should they, this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS), you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does, cause there delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses, the entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it. It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable, such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it, these people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport. Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around inorder for us to get what we want, no online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that. However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted September 29, 2008 Share Take that you bunch of MMS slacking hubbers , probably a fair assesment though ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlapperKnop Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why should they' date=' this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS), you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does, cause there delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses, the entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it. It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable, such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it, these people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport. Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around inorder for us to get what we want, no online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that. However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you [/quote']   Well said dfm1 ....KlapperKnop2008-09-29 03:46:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted September 29, 2008 Share A live debate on TV instigated by a bunch of Hubbers misinterpreting the wrong information and getting their knickers into self-righteous knots? Think I'll miss that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canaris Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why don't the distributors and shop owners have a live debate on SuperCycling so we can get to the bottom of this conspiracy???? What do the Hubbers say???Should we have a poll????   Why should they' date=' this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS).(you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does. BEcause there (sic- Their) delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses) The entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it.  It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable. Such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it. These people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport.  Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around, in order for us to get what we want. No online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that.  However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there (sic) reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you [/quote']  I have taken the liberty of editting (only slightly) your post. HR being a editor for a living can finish off the rough bits. You seem to be very annoyed at not being senior enough to be in middle management. Your incohert ranting also reflect a loyalty to a LBS. Unfortunately, it does more damage than good. (your ranting, not yoiur loyalty). Obviously, you are not a consumer who is sick of paying exhorbatant prices to float someone elses poor investment. But anyway, the debate will go like this: Retailer: I have to eat you know, that is way it is expensive.Consumer: Me too, that is why I now shop with someone else online. (by the way I have learnt (by necessity) to service my bike).Retailer: Don't be unfair, what about the warrantees?Consumer: Never needed them, never used them, and last time I returned my shimano shifters to you............ No need for a debate on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montblanc Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why don't the distributors and shop owners have a live debate on SuperCycling so we can get to the bottom of this conspiracy???? What do the Hubbers say???Should we have a poll???? Â Â I am sorry to say, that is poor taste. It is not conspiracy, it is life. Look at petrol, went up by 40% or more in 12 months. Nothing you can do about it.Montblanc2008-09-29 03:52:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlapperKnop Posted September 29, 2008 Share I am sorry to say' date=' that is poor taste. It is not conspiracy, it is life. Look at petrol, went up by 40% or more in 12 months. Nothing you can do about it.[/quote']  Went up more 100% in less than 24 months! especially Diesel .... and what knock on effect does it have on my disposable income?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canaris Posted September 29, 2008 Share I am sorry to say' date=' that is poor taste. It is not conspiracy, it is life. Look at petrol, went up by 40% or more in 12 months. Nothing you can do about it.[/quote']  Went up more 100% in less than 24 months! especially Diesel .... and what knock on effect does it have on my disposable income??  The great debate is about supply and demand. On the supply side the retailers (et al) wants to increase the price. (thinking that the demand is enough to justify these increases) On the demand side (That is us the consumer and majority of hubbers) are saying that a price increase will definitely decrease the demand for such items and therefore is a very bad idea. Now the questions are: How addicted are you to cycling to be willing to pay the increased prices? Will the market collapse if the prices increase? will the retailers kill the sport to save the industry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfm1 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Why don't the distributors and shop owners have a live debate on SuperCycling so we can get to the bottom of this conspiracy???? What do the Hubbers say???Should we have a poll????   Why should they' date=' this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS).(you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does. BEcause there (sic- Their) delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses) The entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it.  It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable. Such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it. These people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport.  Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around, in order for us to get what we want. No online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that.  However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there (sic) reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you [/quote']  I have taken the liberty of editting (only slightly) your post. HR being a editor for a living can finish off the rough bits. You seem to be very annoyed at not being senior enough to be in middle management. Your incohert ranting also reflect a loyalty to a LBS. Unfortunately, it does more damage than good. (your ranting, not yoiur loyalty). Obviously, you are not a consumer who is sick of paying exhorbatant prices to float someone elses poor investment. But anyway, the debate will go like this: Retailer: I have to eat you know, that is way it is expensive.Consumer: Me too, that is why I now shop with someone else online. (by the way I have learnt (by necessity) to service my bike).Retailer: Don't be unfair, what about the warrantees?Consumer: Never needed them, never used them, and last time I returned my shimano shifters to you............ No need for a debate on this one.  Firstly I earn enough to not to worry about the prices, I actually believe they are reasonable, Secondly I deal with a whole bunch of MMS's everyday, they only differance is I pay there salaries, even though they believe they can do my job better than I can.Thirdly, Yes I am loyal to my local LBS, yes they have helped me a lot in the past, and yes I want to see them succeed, however due to the nature of my work (and not my LBS) I know whet the margins are, both for the wholesaler as well as the LBS, and me personaly I would rather put my money i the bank at no risk, they don't however, their passion is what drives them and we ultimatly as the consumer get to reap the benefit of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted September 29, 2008 Share    Now the questions are: How addicted are you to cycling to be willing to pay the increased prices? Will the market collapse if the prices increase? will the retailers kill the sport to save the industry?It's not only sporting goods. Look at the races. The Campus2Campus was R150to enter and attracted 350 finishers - so about 450 starters (my guesstimate)... Arepeople being pushed a bit too far? And remember it isn't just the retailer: they have expenses like salaries, rent, petroland their supply costs are directly influenced by the importers (wholesalers), who havetheir associated costs of which their supplier costs are a large proportion. Don't just shoot the poor guy at the end of the supply chain! I popped into Dunkeld on Friday afternoon at 4:40pm to pick up some disc pads formy MTB so I could ride over the weekend. It might have been more expensive thanbuying them over the internet, but at least I could ride on Saturday. I my LBS!!!jmaccelari2008-09-29 04:33:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted September 29, 2008 Share I ride with about 20 guys, but only two of them are on The Hub. So the hub is not the be all and end all of cycling in South Africa. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted September 29, 2008 Share  So the hub is not the be all and end all of cycling in South Africa.   Oh, man,have you just crushed the spirit of many of the members of this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuctionLamb Posted September 29, 2008 Share  So the hub is not the be all and end all of cycling in South Africa.   Oh' date=' man,have you just crushed the spirit of many of the members of this forum[/quote'] .......FUNNY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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