The POOP could hit the fan on Monday...

[SwissVan]

 

Great timing just b4 the TDF starts.

Der Spiegel will run a full story on Monday

 

Artical below from Velonews.com

 

German J?rg Jaksche, one of dozens of cyclists implicated in the Operaci?n Puerto doping scandal that erupted last year, admitted Saturday that he used banned substances for years.

 

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Jaksche won Paris-Nice in 2004.

photo: Agence France Presse (file photo)

In an interview published in Saturday's edition of the German weekly Der Spiegel, Jaksche admitted his involvement in the blood-doping network run by Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, where he was known by the pseudonym "Bella."

"I'm Bella. It's my blood which was found in three bags (at Dr Fuentes offices). I was a client of Dr. Fuentes from 2005 to 2006 in Madrid," admitted the 30-year-old former T-Mobile rider.

"Fuentes was a master of concealment. None of his clients knew each other. Even within our team, you weren't really sure if the other riders went to him."

Jaksche, the 2004 Paris-Nice winner who joined the Russian second-division outfit Tinkoff in April, also implicated his former teams Polti, ONCE, CSC and Telekom in organized doping.

J?rg Jaksche Professional Career

Teams: Polti - 1997/98 Telekom - 1998-2000 ONCE - 2001-?03 CSC - 2004 Liberty Seguros/Astana - 2005/'06 Tinkoff Credit Systems - 2007 Highlights 1st - Tour M?diteran?en - 2004 1st - Paris-Nice - 2004 3rd Tour de Suisse - 2006 16th Tour de France - 2005 (Best finish of six Tour starts)

At Telekom from 1998 to 2000 he said "team leaders knew everything (about doping). It was a deeply embedded system."

Operaci?n Puerto erupted in May 2006, when Spanish police raided the premises of Spanish sports doctor Fuentes and found bags of blood, banned substances and names of 200 athletes, including 60 cyclists.

Jaksche was linked to one of the codenames found on the bags of blood, but he had previously denied that the moniker "Bella Jorg" related to him.

Germany's 1997 Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich was implicated, as was Italian Ivan Basso.

Jaksche was one of the 13 riders, including Basso and Ullrich, who were prevented from riding last year's Tour de France because of their implication in the affair.

Jaksche claimed that he started taking EPO (erythropoietin) while under contract with the Italian Polti team from June 1997 and notably during the 1998 Tour de France. He said that he had also used growth hormone.

"That was my crash course," he said. "A soigneur injected me with EPO in my room. The logic is you adjust your performance level to the rest, because everyone is doing it. In cycling, you live in a parallel world."

During the 1998 Tour Jaksche claimed that EPO was hidden in the false bottom of a vacuum cleaner that they carried around in the team car.

"After all Polti, our sponsors, manufactured home appliances. Some 10,000 vials of EPO were hidden in the appliance," said Jaksche.

He alleged that the Telekom team, which employed him from 1998 to 2000, had "a deeply embedded system" of doping.

"The problem was not how to prevent doping but how to avoid it being done badly," said Jaksche.

The German rider said doping was also practiced in the Spanish ONCE team, which he rode for between 2001 and 2003.

"I was completely in the hands of the doctors and I can't even say what they did to us exactly. I'd simply hold out my arm and allow myself to be injected. It's possible that they gave me everything, I don't know and I don't want to know."

At the end of 2003, Jaksche headed for Danish outfit CSC, which is managed by former Tour de France winner Bjarne Riis, who has admitted to using EPO when he won the Tour de France in 1996.

Jaksche's lawyer Michael Lehner said on Friday the German was ready to give evidence before the World Anti-Doping Agency, the UCI and legal authorities.

 

[Chunky]

Wonder when all the SA Riders are going to start confessing, that should be fun...

 

I have been on the teams with the so called do gooders. I have also seen them with syringes hanging out their arms, but they all proclaim their innocense.

[Groot Lem]

Maybe we must also tell them to sign something like this. A years salary at stake. Maybe Chunky knows how to get them to confess.

[Chrispy]

Wonder when all the SA Riders are going to start confessing' date=' that should be fun...

 

I have been on the teams with the so called do gooders. I have also seen them with syringes hanging out their arms, but they all proclaim their innocense.

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Well maybe Chunky can tell us about the threats he is making at the moment to certain people.....................

[tubed]

Most interesting sites to follow these developments are:

 

www.cycling4all.com

 

www.si.com also interesting article

 

I expect possibly that LA will prove in time to be one of the biggest frauds in American history, they have built him up to be such a hero and icon of hope and he has lapped it up, made tons of cash from it. Not that I don't believe that he is immensely physically talented. Just too many people saw it to keep quiet, he cannot sue them all.

 

Just look at Lemond when he could care less for the personal consequences - I suspect somebody directly involved will sing loudly at some stage as they cut a plea bargain, it just takes a threat of "you decide: go away for perjury or you stand by your previous sworn statement." 

 

What will be interesting for me will be to see the connection with the local medical fraternity, not that the I consider the local cyclists as newsworthy on the scale that we are talking about, rather lets see what "trainings" (quote: Eddy M), were taking place when the pros had their unoffcial training camps here. We have quite an honours list of guys being victimised:

 

Ullrich

Hondo

Kessler

 

Was very surprised to see Astana rider training here month or so ago post his spring campaign (most stay in Euro when the sun comes out and not head to SA), thought he was 'training' for the tour, but he he did not make the roster.

 

I have already made up my mind that my devotional following the sport for the past 20 years has been tainted.

 

As for the likes of of one of my previous heros, in my view he continues to perpetuate something and give false hope to millions that he is a surviving hero who won seven Tours on courage and talent alone.

 

I hope I am wrong, but doubt it.

[Chunky]

Chrispy

 

Firstly I am not making any threats. Its simple, the CSA wants to know whats going on, and I want my license. They want me to cooperate, and why not. The point that I was very pissed about is the fact that other people who are known to be doing the same thing have not had the same repercussions as I have. If you going to apply rules, they must be applied to everyone who gets found out.

 

So, if that is what you call a threat then you are very mistaken. This is a game that everyone plays at his own risk. If you roll the dice you pay the price in the end.

 

Let me tell you that the CSA are not as blind as we think. They have a very good idea of what is going on in cycling, just no way yet to prove it.

 

When I had my hearing with CSA Lawyers (Robbie Nielsen), It was very clear they knew what was going on. He mentioned the names of just about all the people that I know who use banned substances.

 

If an athlete choses to take drugs, he must also have the balls to stand and face the music when he gets caught. I got caught and thats that.

 

Perhaps Chrispy, you should contact Carinus Lemmer and ask him If I am threatening anyone, infact you will find quite the opposite. I could have long time ago ratted on everyone. He is the person that has been appointed by CSA to get to the bottom of this. The CSA also know that naming people on hearsay is not the way to sort the problem. Let them know that somebody is on to them and make it clear what will happen if they get caught is probably the best way to go.

 

I made no guarantee's to anyone. They all knew what they were doing when they decided to walk that road.

 

Besides, I really do belive now that doping needs to be stopped. To many people take it as the easy way to get results (Me included) but at the end of the day you are spending lots of money and damaging your body for what, a Gold medal at SA Champs or any other race for that matter. Its not worth it.

 

 

Chunky2007-07-01 23:08:32

[mallo]

Morning all

 

Before we get carrried away on this topic can I please ask that we keep it clean and speak about what we know without "He said they said we said" Do not name names you have no prove of yourself. That way we will have facts on this thread only.

 

 

 

My solution to CSA as follows:

 

 

 

Get all those riders who want to confess do so publically and tested thereafter at their expense with NO SANCTION FOR PAST OFFENCES. But if caught into the future make it a lifetime ban from the sport for the person involved and his whole team as they are part of the problem as well.

[Chrispy]

Chrispy

 

Firstly I am not making any threats. Its simple' date=' the CSA wants to know whats going on, and I want my license. They want me to cooperate, and why not. The point that I was very pissed about is the fact that other people who are known to be doing the same thing have not had the same repercussions as I have. If you going to apply rules, they must be applied to everyone who gets found out.

 

So, if that is what you call a threat then you are very mistaken. This is a game that everyone plays at his own risk. If you roll the dice you pay the price in the end.

 

Let me tell you that the CSA are not as blind as we think. They have a very good idea of what is going on in cycling, just no way yet to prove it.

 

When I had my hearing with CSA Lawyers (Robbie Nielsen), It was very clear they knew what was going on. He mentioned the names of just about all the people that I know who use banned substances.

 

If an athlete choses to take drugs, he must also have the balls to stand and face the music when he gets caught. I got caught and thats that.

 

Perhaps Chrispy, you should contact Carinus Lemmer and ask him If I am threatening anyone, infact you will find quite the opposite. I could have long time ago ratted on everyone. He is the person that has been appointed by CSA to get to the bottom of this. The CSA also know that naming people on hearsay is not the way to sort the problem. Let them know that somebody is on to them and make it clear what will happen if they get caught is probably the best way to go.

 

I made no guarantee's to anyone. They all knew what they were doing when they decided to walk that road.

 

Besides, I really do belive now that doping needs to be stopped. To many people take it as the easy way to get results (Me included) but at the end of the day you are spending lots of money and damaging your body for what, a Gold medal at SA Champs or any other race for that matter. Its not worth it.

 

 

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Hope you guys come to some sort of agreement. I think everyone in the game would like to draw a line and move on from there. Your knowledge on the subject could be very helpfull going forward.

 

Just don't play the same games that exposed you on Carte Blanche as not talking the truth at times.

 

Good luck.

[frensch]

En wat nou????????

IT'S MONDAY TODAY..................STILL WAITING FOR THE SA PRO'S TO RESPOND???

Chunky, jy verkoop mos die goed aan hulle- nogsteeds????na als wat jy alreeds verloor het?

[Bell]

Hoekom sal die SA PRO'S respond? CSA skep die indruk dat hulle nie in staat is om regtig die wortel van die probleem te vind en dan op te tree nie. As die "powers to be" dan so baie info tot hulle beskikking het en ernstig is daaroor om iets omtrent die saak te doen, DOEN DIT DAN!!! Dan kan al die ongegronde bespiegelings en wilde aantygings en geskinder einde kry en kan ons aangaan en vorentoe gaan met ons sport.