Anderson transport results removed from racetec?

[Vetseun]

As usual the roadies are fighting with each other.

[bikemonster]

Photo's was being posted on another thread, created for that purpose. The poster worked hard to get the photo's ready to be posted, and it was beautifull photo's, showing the route and cyclist in perfect detail and focus.

But because a few persons on the hub cannot let things go and started to go way off base, , after first requesting that the thread stays on the topic of the photo's, the original poster had the thread closed and removed after those few guys refused to accede to the request.

 

I doubt very much if we will in future see photo's from this very talented photographer on the hub again. Pity really.

 

SHAME ON YOU FEW GUYS WHO SPOILT A VERY NICE THREAD WITH YOUR BELIGGERANT ATTITUDES. I HOPE YOU READ THIS POST, RECOGNISE YOURSELVES AND FEEL VERY ASHAMED.

 

Eh?

 

I asked the question after a pic of a team riding an echelon across a double wide line going around a corner. Just the one team, no overtaking going on.

 

Ronelle asked (on the thread) if we could keep the chat to the pics, so I deleted my comment, and IM'd Ronelle to tell her that I had done so, and I IM'd a Hubber who had quoted me.

 

No belligerence from me, nor from anybody else that I could see.

 

And no, I don't feel ashamed for asking the question either.

 

FFS, we want to see cyclists treated better by other road users, doesn't that mean we ought to be keeping our noses cleaner than clean?

Edited November 29, 2010 by bikemonster

[GLuvsMtb]

Well done Heimer for putting the record straight. Who-ever started the doping rumour needs to be sue'd. The DC and cycling in the western cape doesn't neeed rubbish like this to be circulated.

 

I'm sure that Anderson transport had valid reasons for feeding where they did, or maybe it was an honest mistake.

 

Having participated in this year's DC, I would like to comment on the rules. It was extremely difficult to keep to all the rules.

A few examples:

- No crossing the white line.

You try to pass a slower team on the right, but they are riding 3 abreast in the middle of the road, so you have no choice.

- Keeping on the shoulder

After 7 punctures in our team, we tended to drift onto cleaner lines like most other teams. Maybe the orginisers need to sweep the shoulder before a big event like this. If they have done so, my appologies, but it didn't seem like it was done.

Furthermore there was support vehicles all over the show, stopping in the middle of the road (that Coronation yaris on Op te Tradouw nearly caused some huge crashes)

- No drafting allowed

You try to pass a team, but they end up sitting on your wheel in stead of allowing you to pass

Another common tactic was for teams to break up teams coming past with weaving inbetween riders to slow them down.

- Support vehicles need to leave a 50 metre gap between themselves and the last rider

With 4 teams bunching up, you'd have 4 vehicles on top of each other, inevitably someone needs to come through the back, and trying to pass 4 teams and cars becomes dangerous. The softest place to pull in from oncoming traffic was inbetween the cyclists, creating even more issues in trying to pass other teams.

 

What needs to happen for next year's race:

- Get dedicated bike marshals to ride with the top 5 teams of each discipline. The one or 2 bikes that we saw enroute helped to get cars through and made sure everyone was behaving. There was not enough of them though.

- Road closures for certain stretches. This will help support vehicles that was not riding with their teams to get through

- No support allowed until you are on R62 (after Tradouwspass). If you can't go 42 kms without support, you should be doing the 25km routes during the funride season and not the DC

- Only allow the top 10 teams in each discipline to use support vehicles servicing riders enroute. I understand that these teams need tech support for puntures etc, but anyone not racing for a podium can stop to fix a puncture. Generally these teams have support crew that has experience in doing this sort of thing. There were just too many house wifes with the family 4x4 that was nervous and didn't know how to pass, creating bigger problems. Let the house wife brigade get us at dedicated points like previous years.

Edited November 29, 2010 by MorewoodMad

[ccc2]

i have ridden a few DC's in my time including the very first one, this time i followed the race in my car from about 9.15am, starting in s'dam. i was pleasantly surprised at how clean the road was all the way from S'dam till the 1st team i encountered on o'd' Tradouw ie no gel wrappers, litter etc etc other than 1 water bottle in the middle of the road. on the way to m'gue i did encounter teams riding on their own slap bang in the middle of the road, 4 to 5 teams piled up on each other with their back up vehicles following. generally, overtaking them wasn't a problem for me.

what i did find funny was when i was sitting in the queue at the M'gue/Ashton/s'dam t junction and this one team was riding down the right of the lane, the lead rider was waving at oncoming traffic to get out of his their way. don't riders realise that the roads aren't closed for their exclusive use. all in all i think the ride went much smoother this year with the feeding zones and in future any transgressions must be severely dealt with.

[Guest Bpayne]

Heimer,

 

I did ask the question in this thread earlier. Was it perhaps because of the above? Not trying to stir but this was the first thing that came to my mind as we were there at that moment with a few other teams also passing at speed.

 

If so... I agree that this was not the wisest thing you did, feeding in the no-feed zone on a downhill and it was dangerous to other riders passing at 50km/h while you guys were trying to grab bags and bottles from the feeding vehicle at 40km/h. Quite a few of those landed in the road.

 

I have to add that I think a DQ is a bit harsh.

 

Did you see them feeding from the vehicle while the vehicle was moving at 40kmh? If so you not telling the truth.

 

With regards to the no feeding Zone, teams could feed anywhere except the 1 section of the race provided the car was stationary. We drove behind Anderson most of the race as our team was trying to hang with them and I mean from about top of Op Tredouws to Montague then we couldnt keep them in sight and then we tried that with RSAWeb later on in the last 40km and not once did Anderson Team feed on the fly or RSAWeb for that matter. We did see Rapha Condor feed on the fly after turning to Robertson.

[Roer]

...It was extremely difficult to keep to all the rules... There were just too many house wifes with the family 4x4 that was nervous and didn't know how to pass, creating bigger problems. Let the house wife brigade get us at dedicated points like previous years.

 

It was extremely difficult to keep to the rules for everybody. Try seconding next year if the same dangerous rules applied that did this year. It was no picnic for this girl (and WTH does a house wife look like?!!!). As a cyclist myself I understand cyclists not always wanting to or being able to ride on the shoulder, but try understanding seconding vehicles not wanting to ride on the wrong side of the road. A few times I had to choose between playing chicken with the oncoming traffic as there was no space in my own lane (bunched up cyclists, no pace lines!) getting looks of ultimate fear from the oncoming traffic as they pass (heck knows what they must have been thinking of this race and cyclists in general...) or daggers from cyclists not wanting to ride on the shoulder and expecting you to ride in the oncoming traffic lane...

 

Your other non-chauv suggestions were good.

[javadude]

Hectic. How does a rumour like this get started in the first place, seriously, its pathetic.

[THE BODY CENTRE]

DRAMA DRAMA ...

 

my version of the pic thread is actually quite simple - i really wasn't up to another white line thread - i love this sport, i love being there with you, i will definitely post pics again -- but if i have to post only pics that satisfy the 'rules are rules' criterium .. i'm going to struggle on the DC batch ... and we end up getting everybody DQ'd (fun event!) ...and besides, I'm guilty too - for half of the time (on the m/bike) we don't even adhere to the traffic rules driving on the right side

 

i uploaded a couple of pics here:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2071475&id=1147886727&l=8c55c3d90d

 

PS: and i will be putting CD's together for teams, which will for me be easier than uploading to the website - just so u know

[The_Break]

I have tried to get hold of them, and have left messages- no reply as of yet.

Maybe a public forum wasnt the best, but everyone knows everything on the hub, so thought it was a good place to ask

 

Velouria: 5th was/is feeling good, although its not the way I would want to get it.

 

No problem with a public forum for asking question and getting answers. Making false statements is of concern though.

 

In any case, nearly all teams have at least one doper in the side so interesting to see who gets nervous when the questions get asked.

[Tumbleweed]

DRAMA DRAMA ...

 

my version of the pic thread is actually quite simple - i really wasn't up to another white line thread - i love this sport, i love being there with you, i will definitely post pics again -- but if i have to post only pics that satisfy the 'rules are rules' criterium .. i'm going to struggle on the DC batch ... and we end up getting everybody DQ'd (fun event!) ...and besides, I'm guilty too - for half of the time (on the m/bike) we don't even adhere to the traffic rules driving on the right side

 

i uploaded a couple of pics here:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2071475&id=1147886727&l=8c55c3d90d

 

PS: and i will be putting CD's together for teams, which will for me be easier than uploading to the website - just so u know

 

Bad, bad person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Burn her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GLuvsMtb]

It was extremely difficult to keep to the rules for everybody. Try seconding next year if the same dangerous rules applied that did this year. It was no picnic for this girl (and WTH does a house wife look like?!!!). As a cyclist myself I understand cyclists not always wanting to or being able to ride on the shoulder, but try understanding seconding vehicles not wanting to ride on the wrong side of the road. A few times I had to choose between playing chicken with the oncoming traffic as there was no space in my own lane (bunched up cyclists, no pace lines!) getting looks of ultimate fear from the oncoming traffic as they pass (heck knows what they must have been thinking of this race and cyclists in general...) or daggers from cyclists not wanting to ride on the shoulder and expecting you to ride in the oncoming traffic lane...

 

Your other non-chauv suggestions were good.

 

The problem with many of the support drivers is that they don't cycle, so they think like motorists, not cyclists. Why on earth would so many support vehicles stop at the bottom of a rolling hill? (No, I didn't see any riders repairing punctures) I saw at least 10 vehicles doing this on the day with riders having picnics behind the cars, not in front as per the rules. The house-wife jibe was a team joke and while we have huge appreciation for the support crews on the day, I think that many were not briefed properly and endangered cycles without realising it.

[GLuvsMtb]

It was extremely difficult to keep to the rules for everybody. Try seconding next year if the same dangerous rules applied that did this year. It was no picnic for this girl (and WTH does a house wife look like?!!!). As a cyclist myself I understand cyclists not always wanting to or being able to ride on the shoulder, but try understanding seconding vehicles not wanting to ride on the wrong side of the road. A few times I had to choose between playing chicken with the oncoming traffic as there was no space in my own lane (bunched up cyclists, no pace lines!) getting looks of ultimate fear from the oncoming traffic as they pass (heck knows what they must have been thinking of this race and cyclists in general...) or daggers from cyclists not wanting to ride on the shoulder and expecting you to ride in the oncoming traffic lane...

 

Your other non-chauv suggestions were good.

 

The problem with many of the support drivers is that they don't cycle, so they think like motorists, not cyclists. Why on earth would so many support vehicles stop at the bottom of a rolling hill? (No, I didn't see any riders repairing punctures) I saw at least 10 vehicles doing this on the day with riders having picnics behind the cars, not in front as per the rules. The house-wife jibe was a team joke and while we have huge appreciation for the support crews on the day, I think that many were not briefed properly and endangered cycles without realising it.

[Ciska Austin]

Dear all

 

It has been a while. Confirmation has been received from SAIDS that no drug testing took place at the DC.

 

Rgds,

 

Ciska

[MCDreyer]

Did you see them feeding from the vehicle while the vehicle was moving at 40kmh? If so you not telling the truth.

 

With regards to the no feeding Zone, teams could feed anywhere except the 1 section of the race provided the car was stationary. We drove behind Anderson most of the race as our team was trying to hang with them and I mean from about top of Op Tredouws to Montague then we couldnt keep them in sight and then we tried that with RSAWeb later on in the last 40km and not once did Anderson Team feed on the fly or RSAWeb for that matter. We did see Rapha Condor feed on the fly after turning to Robertson.

@Bpayne, nope the vehicle was stationary, but it was in a clearly marked no-feed zone (top of Tradouw for 10km down on the other side). Their vehicle was standing still and the guys were flying past trying to grab and hold on to their feeding bags.

 

I saw this happen and would challenge any AT rider to tell me this is not true.

 

I'm not trying to discredit the AT team, but it is a fact that they've feed in that zone and I'm merely asking if this might have been the reason for a DQ as this did created a dangerous situation to other teams passing. There must be a reason why this part of the road was declared a no-feed-zone, even for the top 15 teams.

 

Again, I think a bit harsh to DQ them for this as there were transgressions all over the place throughout the race.

 

I hope for the AT guys' sake that this can be resolved / withdrawn as they deserve to receive their finishing time (their PB) which must have taken some serious effort.

[MariusL]

@Bpayne, nope the vehicle was stationary, but it was in a clearly marked no-feed zone (top of Tradouw for 10km down on the other side). Their vehicle was standing still and the guys were flying past trying to grab and hold on to their feeding bags.

 

I saw this happen and would challenge any AT rider to tell me this is not true.

 

I'm not trying to discredit the AT team, but it is a fact that they've feed in that zone and I'm merely asking if this might have been the reason for a DQ as this did created a dangerous situation to other teams passing. There must be a reason why this part of the road was declared a no-feed-zone, even for the top 15 teams.

 

Again, I think a bit harsh to DQ them for this as there were transgressions all over the place throughout the race.

 

I hope for the AT guys' sake that this can be resolved / withdrawn as they deserve to receive their finishing time (their PB) which must have taken some serious effort.

 

Vaste 6 - that is how I understood your comment... pity someone took it so personally... oi

[bruce]

Dear all

 

It has been a while. Confirmation has been received from SAIDS that no drug testing took place at the DC.

 

Rgds,

 

Ciska

 

Thanks Ciska, I'm sure your posting won't get as many responses as the original