2011 Racing categories

[mallo]

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Edited December 10, 2010 by mallo

[RABUBI]

better be more specific

[Spinnekop]

If we don't know what changed, we cannot comment.....

[Trubie]

I thought rules applied to all.

 

 

Mallo - what planet you from dude???

[rpedro]

what r u talking abt dude?

[mallo]

Teams not meeting minimum requirements will be allowed on the start line, (min4 riders, breakdown of the riders/ages)etc.

[Trubie]

what r u talking abt dude?

 

this is what we wish for, but we know it doesnt happen

not in SA, not in sport, not in cycling, everywhere there is 2 sets of rules

[nielvn]

Teams not meeting minimum requirements will be allowed on the start line, (min4 riders, breakdown of the riders/ages)etc.

 

Again if the changes was made without consulting people which might be influenced by it before it was taken, the legality of the decision must be questioned.

Edited December 7, 2010 by nielvn

[scotty]

Chatting to our club chairman a few weeks back, he was saying the new rules have so many loopholes

[Frosty]

The rules are quite simple...

 

1. Only registered Top Club teams are allowed in category 1 (Men - Elite, U23, Junior and Vet30-39).
   - Medscheme, MTN, CycleLab, TCS, Black Rock are teams already registered.
   Each team member will be issued with a permanent number for the year.
   Teams enter online like normal, but the entries have to be approved by CSA prior to the event - this is to ensure they stick to the rules.
   If there are less than 50 entrants, the category will be cancelled and they ride in Cat2 and seeded accordingly.
   Teams must have a manager, complete the various applications, etc.
   This is for the SERIOUS / Professional riders.
    
   
2. Category 2, 3 and 4 is for any Full Licence holder, irrespective of age and gender and each rider will be seeded according to ability. Individual only - not teams.
   The seeding will work on the CycleLab seeding ladder for the first 3 months, and then reseeding takes place after the first 3 months results.
   The Top Club teams for Ladies (Elite, Junior, Vet all ages) will be placed in Cat2 or Cat3 depending on their seeding for the relevant race - the only teams in Cat2/3.
   Organisers may, at their discretion, can make the Cat4 for Vet50+ and Vet ladies (not Top Club teams) and anyone not qualifying for Cat2 & Cat3.
   If there are only 300 riders in Cat2-4, then 150+150 means only Cat2 and Cat3.
   If there are only 200 riders, then CSA might enforce 1 bunch of 200, or 2 bunches of 100.
   Max 150-200 riders per category up to Cat4, meaning 600 Full Licenced cyclists in Cat2, 3 and 4 - anyone seeding outside the top 600 will be seeded in the Open category.
    
   
3. 4 Commissaires (1 per group), timekeeper, line judges and a chief comm - that's all from a race official point of view.
   Complaints to be directed to the CSA Officials by team managers only, not to the organiser and not from a rider.
    
   
4. After the 4 Licensed categories, it will be Tandems and Open Seeded

What else would you like to know??

Being part of the race organising committee, I've met with CSA officials to get a clearer understanding of the rules - they just need to communicate with it's members.

There should be a final draft releases this week (or so it was said at the meeting last week).

 

 

CSA are bringing the Licensed categories in line with UCI regulations (or they will be trying to), hence the change.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Frosty

[Spinnekop]

Thanks for the update Frosty.

 

Looking good!!

[mallo]

Rules are simple yet they only apply to some. Let us not moan about it 2011 will prove this point. What we normal riders are saying is simple " Treat all riders and teams the same"

[Spinnekop]

Mallo......

 

You bitch and moan about rules not complying to all.....so out with it...speak your hart!!

 

I can only assume you are talking about the development side of things???? PDI's?

So what are you on about?

 

Personally.......

I think there are not enough riders in the Cat 1 bunch......development, pdi, white boytjies, capies....all put together! So CSA sits with a problem here I think.....I THINK!!!!???!!

Should the rules be STRICTLY enforced I think a lot of "potential" teams might have to revert to Cat 2? Loss to the sport? Sponsorship/commercial interests lost to the sport of cycling?

 

That said......I am a FIRM SUPPORTER of PERFORMANCE BASED selection. It will NOT help to push in a bunch of youngsters in there and make them suffer just because they have a different skin color to the avg elite..........But I think you agree on this....EARN YOUR RIDE!!!

 

I have a good friend that will be riding pro next year. 2 years back I use to kick his ass regularly! Almost twice his age....

He took his old faithful and started training......serious training....FOCUS!!! Wax on....wax off....

He did not rely on his skin color to get him anyware......he took control of his own fait and worked hard!!! REALLY HARD....he trained 5-7 hours on some days.....even on his birthday he did 2 session.....one of them in the rain....

 

Long story short. He worked really hard to achieve some good results and for that he got a signing to team for next year.

Now you want to tell me that does not feel good? He EARNED it!!

 

So make them, us, pdi's....the lot WORK FOR IT!!

 

So maybe developing the sport forward and make it more accesable?? (not the correct word here) to pdi's, CSA should create a feeder bunch for this?? and THEN force the PRO teams to select from that....

At this point in time they are only going to pick random soles and make them drop within the first 100m.

 

Just a few thoughts......

Use it, don't use it...

[Christie]

It looks as if the plan is to implement categories like in the USA. A significant difference is they have pro, cat1, cat2, cat3. We don't have that many professionals, so CSA combined Pro and cat1, but the rules for all cat1 teams are pro rules. The problem with that is that our cat1 amateurs are not on the same level as our pro's, I heard there was a protest of some sorts from some of the 30-39 vets, resulting in some changes to accommodate them in cat2. This leaves the cat1 bunch a bit short of numbers. CSA has to find a way to get more cat1 teams registered.

[mallo]

Thanks Christie

[mallo]

Spinnekop not bothered about the development side of things as there is simply not much one can do about the current crop of PDI's in the sport. Those with potential are riding where they should. The rest must enjoytheir time in recreational bunches. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PDI'S GETTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING PERIOD.

 

Numbers been limited based on requirements means teams with big squads are going to suffer having one team riding in a category whilst the rest must move over to next category yet the other teams with less than the required numbers will be allowed to race in higher category ( This is what is unfair)EG. MTN meets all the requirements but cannot have more than the required riders in CAT1 hence the others must move to another cat.

 

The person you mention deserves the break he got(All through hard work) and he will not disappoint those who believed in him.I think Malcolm will do the same for him as he done with Arran