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10 minutes ago, Irvin85 said:I think you are either missing the point of security at the entrances of shops or have not been living in south africa for very long.
The amount of people that tries their luck to steal a bike or anything from the store is outrageous. Role number one for any security guard is treat everybody like a potential criminal and check everyone's slips/bags etc.
For one you could have picked up the bike at the servicing department, all the bikes stands their, walk over to the till, buy a chocolate and walk out as if you paid for the bike and or bike service. The security guard will most likely in such a instance be fired. We are not in europe or Murica but in South Africa where our unemployment rate is sky high. I have bought a bike online from CL as well for my daughter and they also requested to see my invoice which was on email. I engaged with the salesman regarding the procedure and he said to me the amount of chancers they get of people trying to walk away without paying is scary. order online, go for pickup and payment and just skip the payment part.
Well done to the security guard for doing
Doing what job well? Ensuring the teller invoiced me correctly? He didnt check ownership at all, thats the service departments job not his. He didnt check the workmanship either, probably didn't care.
I believe its his job to prevent thieves coming in or out the door, not be the back up check to the tellers.
We all know the system is wrong, yet most agree with it. Funny how we get brainwashed into things being right
43 Irvin, 43 years ive been around this plot of land trying to keep sanity
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8 minutes ago, Shaheedalex said:Maybe read the posters response again...I do believe you miss understanding whats being said ...if you agree with me maybe change your response as this forum has quite a large variety of people........
Oh shoot, sorry, you're right. I miss read it. Seems to be a lot of that going on this thread, slurs, insults over opinions etc.
Ill change it. My apologies to the community
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1 hour ago, gemmerbal said:I'll help you out bud, bring your bike around my place, I'll bleed it for free. But I'm just letting you know I will be checking all your pockets and my dogs will be sniffing your ass to make sure you arent sneaking away with my 10mm and 13mm spanners and sockets.
Thank you for the kind offer. Im not so keen on getting an offer of any sorts to sniff my ass so I'll have to give your workshop a skip.
Thank you again though, one's generosity is always a sign of their intentions. I do appreciate that
You have a good day now
40 minutes ago, The Ouzo said:lets paint a different scenario
whilst you're paying for your brake bleed, bike "safely" parked off to one side, some unscrupulous character casually takes your bike and walks out the door with it, Security is no longer instructed to check receipts, so this person goes unchecked. Would you be happy with that ?
It grates me too that I need all my items checked like a criminal, but I also understand the reasoning behind it.
If its stolen from inside the store by a passer by, then the store insurance will cover it because their security personal on site is not doing their intended job. I do agree it is also my responsibility to ensure that my bike is looked after by myself. In your instance, it would not be 'safely' parked off to one side or even allowed to be taken away from me during the payment process, so I guess its a moot point then, right?
There is no point in being treated like a criminal if the shop systems are changed. Grocery stores dont do it yet they have products which is of much more day to day value than a gas bomb or a tube of lube or a set of brake pads. Heck, i bet the guy that paid for the R56 650 road bike next to me had to endure the same check on his new ride on exit all because they dont trust the personel that assmebled it or rang it up for payment. Shame I tell you
Anyway, Im done. As they say in 'Murica - Happy Tuesday to you
I had a brake bleed. What bag is there to check?
And if i did have a bag, the staff member behind the counter packed it under the watchful eye of the security guard anyway, and i must be searched/checked because of their inefficiencies in not trusting the staff behind the counters anyway?
You say africa is like it is, its because people accept it.
You may, i dont, protracted and all
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7 minutes ago, Pandatron said:Hes got his protractor out trying to find this point
You funny people you.
Its the part being treated like a criminal when trying to exit a shop, because they dont trust their own staff. Note i did say i was even happy with the price and time frame of the brake bleed, is that not good enough for happy service or did you miss that part? Cynical much?
LBS's dont follow that same warehouse mentality you seem to promote
Ag you wont understand. Go live overseas for a bit and it'll change your perspective on how customers should be treated, even at warehouse style stores
5 minutes ago, Pandatron said:Im lost, you had to show security your till slip as per most warehouse type stores in South Africa.
Your Google reviews must be scintillating
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Never mind, I'll take my money elsewhere. Thats way better than a scintillating google review.
As you were
I needed a back brake re-bled and called CL in fourways to see if they could help (only reason is that i was 2km away from them and it suited my route for the day). I know a brake bleed is not the end of the world so i gave them the benefit of the doubt.
On the call i asked if it could be a wait for it job and they advised that due to being a little busy it'll be about a 2 hour or so wait. Win so far, i didnt mind that as i had other errands in the area.
I promtly relieved a call shortly afterwards informing me i need this done, that done, some other sh*t done etc, to which i promptly replied back that if they didnt understand my first instruction then its best i draw them a picture what i wanted done instead. Fine, we move on
Get there 2 hours later to collect the bike and its plastered with CL stickers in case some parts go missing.... now i must clean that crap off
I head over to pay and all is good. Im one of two at the counter and proceed to hand over a few beer coupons (not a bad proce i thought)
I then get lynched by the security on my way out insisting he checks my till slip. I demanded thay he first remove the tag off my bike before we proceed. Once done, he checks my slip as if i am the criminal stealing and not to be trusted... its actually his job to make sure the tellers do their job but he makes it out as if you, the customer, is the criminal.
I will do my utmost to avoid them in future, much like the same treatment you get at builders warehouse on exit
I should have rather supported an LBS in the area, they don't give you the same **** treatment as CL does.
Rant off, bye bye CL
30.9mm Rapide seat post for anyone that needs it. Mahala to you.
Nothing wrong with the post at all, ive just changed it for a dropper instead
If you want special postage, send me a beer coupon
27 minutes ago, Bundu Ric said:Ok so this all seems way past my bike mechanic capability, will need to make a call on the way forward and then a shop to do this properly.
Its actually very simple to be honest. If you can change a tyre you can install a dropper. Look for one that you can service yourself without being tied to an agent. Lyne and One Up, Bikeyoke get the vote here
9 hours ago, Bundu Ric said:So then should I just buy a Bikeyoke?
Can I use the Rockshox controls with the Bikeyoke or do they have their own specific controls?
It depends on what cable fittings the Bikeyoke needs compared to the RS. As an example: The Xfusion needs the cut end to be on the dropper fixed to it with a grub barrel. The Lyne is the other way around with the lug end on the dropper and the cut end on the remote.
The Xfusion is a pain in the rear end to get the lengths correct because of the cut end being where it is. The lyne is almost fit and not have to worry about removing it multiple times to get the length correct - win for the Lyne here
2 hours ago, RobertWhitehead said:I may have one or two
Sent you a wa, need to get those rotors and bar to you still
1 hour ago, Barry said:Ok no problem. Give @117 a day or two.
Thanks Barry, I'll take 3 carbon rings please. Thats all i really need.
Please pm me details for posting/collect and delivery of chocolate
Anyone have 2 x 5mm headset spacers lying around? Willing to pay in beer coupons
6 hours ago, Shebeen said:No. The only side we all want is the truth.
For someone who is telling people to read properly you really are not taking your own medicine.
Have an opinion? Fine, air it, as you did. But don't then say, "hey! leave me out if it, I'm just passing the info on".
Can't have your cake AND eat it.
Edit: rereading your opening post, the first sentence has huge implication (maybe unintended).
I agree, lets get the truth. Its obviously not going to happen here, so lets wait for the (great) authorities, yes?
Im really not sure how you see my remark of please read properly and leave me out of it as a cake eating exercise. That would imply that I am pushing to promote my opinion as the gospel truth, whereby I am not.
If I had said "guess what I heard..." would that have made you read it differently and respond to my comment differently? Perhaps yes, perhaps not.
My opening remark is as it stands, I am connected to a riding group that knows the motorbike driver. To what huge implication do you refer? Does that make me in automatic agreement with the info I provided? You seem to think it does. Does it make me accoutable to what I transcribed, Yes it would. Does it give you the right of emotional reply? Certainly not. A factual reply, yes sure. Lambasting myself or every motorcyclist out there in the reply doesnt give you the right of reply either.
Whilst I do not endorse the actions of either road user, it by no means attributes any blame game from me to who was right or wrong in this case. You seem to think I am automatically for the motorbike driver and all forms of holiganism that is attributed to all evil people on 2 wheels with more than a few horse power avialable to them.
There is clear arguments for the pro's and con's of each road user in this entire thread (not only in this instance), and my info provided here is merely to highlight what is said on the otherside of the fence.
I do, however, recognise that this might be a bit close to home to many cyclists in the area - perhaps you too, but please dont think for a second that I condone the actions of any road user that steps out of line.
In closing, all users of the road know that it is an inherently dangerous game we all play everytime we get onto it, be in in a car, a bus, a taxi (heaven forbid), etc, and if you choose to increase that risk by using a patricularly dangerous part of the network of roads available then that is your choice, not mine. My love for the south african road and its users has diminished far beyond what you can imagine.
Mosty people avaoid these areas becuase of the risks involved. Period
As for the cyclist, I am very sorry for what happened to him and for where he is right now. I sincerely hope he will be on his bike again soon enough
47 minutes ago, Shebeen said:The messenger can get shot if he adds his input to the message.
It's good that you are standing up for your buddies, but the conflicting stories don't add up so maybe you're the one who should take a step back.
Yeah, you're right. Lets keep it one sided then.
As you were
1 hour ago, Oli4 said:I read your entire post. I am not sure what you wanted me to do - let you "pass on information that [you] find factual" when it directly contradicts what I witnessed? You were not by the scene. You have nothing "factual". I was there. And I know speeding & reckless driving when I see it.
When you write "I hear the cyclist was concused and is now in icu for standard check ups", it also contradicts all the information given so far (family and Stay Wider of the Rider).
And no - I don't trust "authorities to sort it out" in SA, especially when the victim is unconscious in ICU and certainly not in a position to lay charges.
No, you obviously didnt read the part where i said dont take your emotions out on me as the poster.
No i wasnt there, and as i clearly stated i am merely passing on information. You decided on your own to bring emotions into it, not me.
Perhaps take a breather then post again without emotional input, or go see someone about it as you could be traumatised by the event. Im not being sarcastic about it either
As for the local authorities, there you and I agree but the outcome is not going to be decided here in the local court of social media, is it?
28 minutes ago, Oli4 said:I was 1 or 2 minutes behind the accident yesterday morning. Your group of bikers are talking utter sh!t and there is nothing factual about their story. They were speeding BIG BIG time when they passed us, swerving across the lanes. Accident absolutely bound to happen - and it happened a few minutes later. They all belong to jail - no exception.
Chappies is a narrow road - but if everybody adheres to the speed limits, runners, cyclists, cars and motorbikes can safely co-exist. If d!pshits are allowed to use it as a race track, you can close it down for all other road users.
You clearly didnt read my last paragraph did you?
Let the authorities sort it out then, yes?
To add some info: I'm on a biker group that has a connection to the rider that hit the cyclist.
Want to sit down quickly?
The rider was at the back of a group of riders and was on the outside of the lane close to the white line
He was not overtaking on a blind corner as thought and has a few car driver witnesses to back it up.
The cyclist (ebiker) was the one that cut the corner into the oncoming traffic and impacted the side of the biker as shown in that one photo.
That to me makes sense, juding by the impact on the right side on the motorbike and where the bicycle ended up. If the biker was on the oncoming side that ebiker cyclist would be swimming instead.
Help was given to the cyclist but the cyclists' group thought it to be better to verbally climb into the lone biker instead of helping their fallen pal. I hear the cyclist was concused and is now in icu for standard check ups
Please don't jump on your high horse at me, rather keep your emotional reply at me at bay, im merely passing on information that i find to be factual
I doubt its 7000 dollars total spend?
You'll need at least 3 sets - one to wear, one on the shelf, one in the wash. Plus shipping. Ouch
I cant see the lads in fourways bru dashing out too quickly for these one-sies
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26 minutes ago, PierreK said:Hi
Has the watch been taken by anyone?
Yip, a while ago.
Apologies if i didn't make it known
Okey dokey, no worries
This is the mount I have, its Shimano though. If it can work for you its yours
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Yeah, you're right. Theres just too many sheeople accepting its correct, for me to butt against