Zerin

He went back to the scene to collect any evidence, and this was after he stopped to close the bonnet of his car after hitting her? Should this information be true - then good bloody riddance.

I used to get a bad cold or flu twice a year. Then i started getting the flu shot and not been sick since. It is worth it, far more worthwhile than all these faddy supplements and other rubbish. It is one shot, takes about 5 mins, is not painful and far more legitimate research has gone into that flu shot than all the faddy supplements on the market. You cannot "boost" your immune system. The immune system that you have, is the immune system that you have. You can support it, you cannot boost it. I dont take supplements of any sort, not even a multi vit. Never been sick since i started getting the flu shot and i had mine for this year just last week. And at R70 odd, it is cheaper than most of the supplements around too.

I would but I am scared I will get shot, and buried in a big hole, at the next race where a Hubber may recognise my bike. Not only do i have a pink Brookes, I have put it on a Merida Juliet Ride Lite

I have a Brookes England Colt on my roadbike And bollocks to anyone who thinks it looks stooopid... i love it It is pink too

When someone is willing to drop 12 grand on something, i dont think anticipation should come into the equation But ok, benefit of the doubt and all. I guess.

Coming onto The Hub to advertise something new = ok. Coming onto The Hub to advertise something new, linking a website, and having that site still under construction = epic fail.

I have been following this thread all morning and I just dont know what to say My condolences to the family And ER24, you guys rock. Follow them on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/ER24Ambulance

I also hate the new bikes. The old ones even with broken cranks were better than this rubbish they have installed. And I cannot get out onto a real bike more than once a week so I have to rely on spinning to keep a decent level of fitness. I have to lift the handlebars to a stupid height because when standing in the forward position my knees hit the bars. The belt sticks and creates a jerky movement which in turn causes jarring on my knees. The tension is terrible and does not adjust in a smooth fashion. Worst of all, it feels like i am pedalling fresh air. The bike also feels plastic and the settings are difficult to read. Very very unhappy and I have now had to move to another VA which is further away because they still have the old bikes. Heaven help me if they too get the new bikes :angry: :angry: I also think everyone who is unhappy with the bikes should stand up and say something instead of just putting up with it. I know that just about everyone at Roodepoort are unhappy, including the instructors. I also know that the link to this thread has been sent to the MD of VA. I wonder if he will bother to read it and reply.

Where abouts on NF is this?

I hope that is just a wind up

I have taken my mountain bike to London and back - in a box. I used a whole roll of duct tape, some bubble wrap - not loads. Bike was fine. In fact after my experience, I now trust a box more than a bag because a box gives rigidity but a bag doesn’t. I took the handle bar off, both wheels, and left it at that. I did wrap the rear derailleur in a fair amount of wrap because it was sitting directly on the floor of the box. Spacers were put between the brakes/pad thingies and a plastic thing on the fork (dunno what that is called either). The wheels sat either side of the bike, one at the fork end, one at the rear end. Have also flown two road bikes back to JHB after the Amashova, in boxes, and they are fine.

*grabs popcorn* *by the truck load*

+ A metric **** ton.

I am the hardnosed wife. And JB Tours should be glad that my brother in law took my place so I personally was not on that train because hardnosed would be a slight understatement. This train trip was advertised as a relaxing and enjoyable ride to Durban. My biggest irk here is that JB Tours failed to mention that we would be surrounded by the rest of the public. And call it what you like, that is no way for a cyclist, about to ride over 100km, to travel to Durban. We thought it was cyclists only and would be at least half decent. It is also advertised as a way for the family to travel. Well, if you think taking your wife and children on a train with toilets full of stinking urine is acceptable, then perhaps you need to do a rethink. Or at least a rethink on the VERY DISHONEST way you market these tours. It is fake advertising to the hilt. And lets not even get started on that train only getting into JHB at 6pm on Monday night. So much for getting to work all clean and relaxed for the day on Monday eh? And i understand that delays on the track are not in the hands of JB Tours, but some decent communication from the tour guide would have helped - you know, just a tad. 24 hours solid on that train? Oh hell no. Would you want to take your family on a train with evident hygiene issues such as this:

Exactly. Beyond that, I am not all that involved in cycling to even know what this is all about. But I do know this statement above is why I will only ever do races with full road closure. Is cycling in SA going down the drain? Whats going on?

Groggery, yes, be very very glad you did not get onto the train. I honestly feel for the cyclists which are currently still stuck on it. I want them to get back to JHB already to see if anyone posts! Surely one of them must be a hubber!

The guys flew back from DBN last night. And thank goodness they did, because we have had word from the people they met on the train that at 9am this morning the train was only just leaving Ladysmith. Which means today is another whole day spent on that godforsaken train which is shockingly dirty. The toilets are FULL of urine all over the toilet, floor etc and stinks. The cabin itself is also disgusting. I feel so sorry for the cyclists stuck on that train for the rest of today. And to think i was supposed to be on it... i would have had a heart attack by now. JB Tours also failed to organise properly. There was a fair walk to the bus to PMB, no breakfast was arranged before the race after it had been specified. The tour guide was useless and non caring. Overall a disaster and JB Tours AND the Amashova should not be promoting this train as a viable option of travel as it is beyond a joke. It cannot even be classed as a budget tour, as even on a budget holiday the service and facilities would be better.

Sepia - thank you very much for your kind offer. However I think they are sorted - i hope. Right now at this point in time, everything has been a disaster and I wont be holding my breath any longer. But it looks like Rabbit is getting the boxes to them which is a huge huge help, and someone else is taking them and bikes to the airport tomorrow after the race. I am interested to find out if any of the other cyclists on that train are Hubbers. Apparently the toilets are literally full of urine and stink to high heaven. The food was raw, including the chicken and the rest of Africa apparently sang the whole night. The other cyclists are also not happy (who can blame them) but i dont know if they are Hubbers. I would be interested to hear their view on here. Thank you for the offers of help. It is nice to know when one is in need, that the cycling community pulls together and helps. I hope next time we will be the ones helping someone else

That is a bit far to expect you to drive. Going to PM you now. Hoping to rent a car to fetch from you.

Staying at the Balmoral in DBN. How far are the boxes from there? Thank you!

Fester, that is exactly what we thought too. In fact a number of people were jealous when we said we were going on the train. Now we are jealous they chose to drive. However, I am not there - I gave my place to my brother in law. I am safe in JHB (well, as far as safe gets i guess) and am trying to arrange their transport and bike transport back to JHB after the race tomorrow. Train will only be arriving at about 12.30 so very little time for them to arrange much of anything. It is a diabolical disgrace. Thanks Rabbit, I am also phoning but not sure where we can get bike boxes stored whilst they ride. Its all such a mess.

Yes I agree. If it even stops 10 people from booking this horrendous "tour" it will be worth it. I need to get the bikes back to JHB. Will they survive being clingwrapped at the airport and transported on the plane just like that? Unless anyone in DBN has two bikes boxes for me?

This train down to the Amashova was advertised as comfortable, clean and relaxing. It was also advertised as a tourist class train for the cyclists riding the Amashova. We expected that the cyclists would all be together in one carriage on the train, at the very least. As it turns out, it is a train for the masses. The cyclists are spread out all over the train, with the rest of Africa filling in every gap inbetween. The food is rubbish. Raw chips and rubbish chicken in a polystyrene container. The toilets are filthy and the whole thing is just a massive disaster. Had we known it was a normal Metro train, we would NEVER have booked. The tour guide has hardly shown face, has not communicated anything and at this point in time we do not even know if the bikes are safe. And now, just to top it all off, the train is FOUR hours late and will only be getting into Durban at around 12pm. Is there any recourse on this? We now have to pay for flights and bike transport back to JHB on Sunday as getting back on the train is not an option. Can the Consumer Protection Act be used here? I am furious and will be taking this further.

I need to find bike transport urgently for two road bikes to get back to JHB after the Amashova. My husband and brother in law are on the JB Tours Train at the moment on the way to the Shova/DBN. The train is by no means a tourist class train as was sold to us (it is filthy, the cyclist are not in one carriage together, the rest of Africa are noisy, toilets disgusting and overall a complete and utter misleading "tour"). Therefore they are going to fly back - but we need to get the bikes back. PLEASE if anyone runs a bike transport business and has space, please contact me. Does anyone know if Cycle Lab have space? Please please urgent!

Six pages about a skid mark? My my... we are a bored lot.