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Guest agteros
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@Redline. Everyone thinks that the faster you go the more fat you burn but thats absolute bulsh*t. Fat burning is at a low heartrate for a loooong time. If you keep your HR high all you doing is cardio which is fitness and getting your heart strong. So if you want to lose wait, spend long hours in the saddle but keep your HR down...

 

I'll disagree with you there.... The harder you go the more calories you burn.... more sugar yeah, but more fat as well.... Total calories burnt is higher. This comes out of your 'fat stores', meaning it gets depleted and you get thinner. Low HR fat burning zones is just a theory based on least effort required (and maximum safety) for the health benefit of training. It also keeps a lot of obese Americans from dieing from heart attacks while pushing themselves too hard too soon.

 

So if you spin your heart up and keep it at a high HR, you are not burning any fat, nor energy but just doing cardio (training your cardiovascular system)? Wonder why I'm so hungry after a hard fast ride / run? Wonder why I lost 7kgs in the last while, especially while stuffing my face all day, every day?

 

Intervals are BAD for weight loss? :o

Guest agteros
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soooo....according to the info i punched in on the garmin my max heartrate should be 181...???

the watch ask for age,height and weight

 

when done racing or training i stop the timer and a screen comes up and says my recovery heart rate must/should be or is 156???

 

what does all this mean??? i transfer data to training centre and see that HR goes up soon after starting... to about 176 and it round about stays there???

 

resting i took manually and it is 60..is this ok?

when im up and about the thing says heart rate is about 80

 

so what does one's heart rate tell you? ek gan vroeg dood gan of wat???laugh.gif of ek moet harder oefen?

 

thanks

 

I'll venture a guess that the 176 is somewhere between 75% and 85% of your max HR...

The Garmin makes a myriad of assumptions regarding your heart rate, as it does not know YOUR heart nor cardio system. Rest assured that it will NOT overestimate your HRmax!

Max heart rate varies from person to person, and women tend to have a higher heart rate than men. in general (resting/max/etc)

 

A low resting heart rate by itself does not mean you are fit, however a lowering in resting heart rate because of training indicates improved fitness. A lower heart rate just means that your heart can pump more blood per stroke (beat) and hence get more oxygen to the muscles so you can work harder.

 

Confusing? Just ignore the numbers and have fun. Download to SportTracks after the rides and a picture will emerge over time!

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I'll disagree with you there.... The harder you go the more calories you burn.... more sugar yeah, but more fat as well.... Total calories burnt is higher. This comes out of your 'fat stores', meaning it gets depleted and you get thinner. Low HR fat burning zones is just a theory based on least effort required (and maximum safety) for the health benefit of training. It also keeps a lot of obese Americans from dieing from heart attacks while pushing themselves too hard too soon.

 

So if you spin your heart up and keep it at a high HR, you are not burning any fat, nor energy but just doing cardio (training your cardiovascular system)? Wonder why I'm so hungry after a hard fast ride / run? Wonder why I lost 7kgs in the last while, especially while stuffing my face all day, every day?

 

Intervals are BAD for weight loss? :o

 

I agree with Agteros. To strengthen this, I've read an article by Ross Tucker as well, that confirms it. You do burn more fat percentage-wise in low zones, which is good and learns you to usilise those stores. But even though the percentage you burn decreases, the total amount you burn increses as you up it - but only to a point. Then it simply becomes too slow a source of energy. And thus moderate intensity is much better than low.

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I struggle to get my HR up when spinning, the instructor keeps telling me to ride 80% plus HR at times and although i'm about to fall off the bike with exhaustion i cannot seem to get near it. On the road its the complete opposite

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I agree with Agteros. To strengthen this, I've read an article by Ross Tucker as well, that confirms it. You do burn more fat percentage-wise in low zones, which is good and learns you to usilise those stores. But even though the percentage you burn decreases, the total amount you burn increses as you up it - but only to a point. Then it simply becomes too slow a source of energy. And thus moderate intensity is much better than low.

 

The one fact that I think that most people forget about is that there are many energy systems working at a single time but in different proportions. The lower the intensity of exercise the greater the proportion of the energy being supplied by fat. Also the longer the duration of the exercise the greater the proportion of energy being supplied by fat. I dont think that there is a black and white answer to fat zones but I do think that there is merit in both lsd (3hrs +) and intervals. Keep in mind that after a ride there is a recovery period where fats can be utilised to contribute to bringing the body back into a state of rest and and as a result a hard interval session could be as effective as a longer easier training session.

 

Power is a far more reliable training guide than heart rate though. There are too many outside variables contributing to heart rate whereas power is based solely upon the amount of effort you place into the ride

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I'll disagree with you there.... The harder you go the more calories you burn.... more sugar yeah, but more fat as well.... Total calories burnt is higher. This comes out of your 'fat stores', meaning it gets depleted and you get thinner. Low HR fat burning zones is just a theory based on least effort required (and maximum safety) for the health benefit of training. It also keeps a lot of obese Americans from dieing from heart attacks while pushing themselves too hard too soon.

 

So if you spin your heart up and keep it at a high HR, you are not burning any fat, nor energy but just doing cardio (training your cardiovascular system)? Wonder why I'm so hungry after a hard fast ride / run? Wonder why I lost 7kgs in the last while, especially while stuffing my face all day, every day?

 

Intervals are BAD for weight loss? :o

 

The higher your HR during a ride the more calories you burn yes. BUT the faster you burn calories the less fat your body burns because it takes time to break down fat into energy, it will therefore burn solely the glycogen stores in your muscles and whatever energy it can process from what you've eaten. So to keep up riding at this level what do you need - food.

 

But do a 4hr ride at 60-65% HR max and you can ride on a bit of poweraid because your body actually burns body fat for energy.

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

Hi,

 

Another newbie to the Hart Rate scene...

 

When i train during the week (orbitrek, circuit etc.) my HR monitor recommends a HR between 139 and 151, and i train in this zone (usually between 30 & 40 minutes per session)

 

When i ride my bike it's between 151 & 171. Am I not training hard enough during the week, or am i putting too much strain on my heart when i bike? I feel that i am "burning more fat" in this zone and i do get a good workout in this HR zone. My max HR is recommended at 190 and resting is around 70.

 

I am using a Suunto M5, and my fitness program is set to "weight" (to reach my target of 88kg's from 91,3) and fitness level set to "good".

 

I just want to know that i am not bullsh**ting myself for not using the device correctly and training in the wrong HR zones?

Edited by deftone
Posted

I struggle to get my HR up when spinning, the instructor keeps telling me to ride 80% plus HR at times and although i'm about to fall off the bike with exhaustion i cannot seem to get near it. On the road its the complete opposite

 

The same for me. During spinning I struggle to get up to 170, but on the road my max is 195.

  • 9 months later...
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1. Your recovery HR should be when there is no effort and you just sit lekke chilled and spin at comfy cadence, NO EFFORT

 

2. It depends on how you look at it. If you get fitter you'll ride faster so your HR will be the same, but if you get fitter and ride the same as normal then yes it will take longer to reach HR Max, but like I said your body can only do THAT much (which gets more as you get fitter) but fitness is all about recovery and how fast you can bring that HR down.

 

3. There is no average time to bring HR down, it all depends on how relaxed you are after a PUSH or for how long you pushed yourself. You'll start noticing after a few rides how long it takes for you to bring your HR down and as you get fiiter you'll see a great measure of time being deducted from the initial. With that said as you get fitter you definitely ride faster even if you dont try to your body is used to that amount of effort and will keep on doing that so if you get fit your effort margin will get higher and youll go faster but with the same heart rate as what you began with.

 

@Redline. Everyone thinks that the faster you go the more fat you burn but thats absolute bulsh*t. Fat burning is at a low heartrate for a loooong time. If you keep your HR high all you doing is cardio which is fitness and getting your heart strong. So if you want to lose wait, spend long hours in the saddle but keep your HR down...

Could you tell me what does it mean when my Heartrate% is more or less my cadence? Does it mean anything?

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