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Is this a Dogma or not


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I've been watching the chinese/ far east no name frames for some time just out of interest.

The rip off wanna be Pina's have been easy to spot, but see if you can say for sure that this is not the real deal.

I did not confirm the official Dogma frame/ fork weight. This one is 1250g and 450g which sounds high

 

have a look...

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Full-Carbon-Fiber-Road-Racing-Bike-Frame-Fork-50-56-/150590257574?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item68c77406b7

 

CarbonXsports on ebay

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Dunno about the weight, but that said, the pinarellos and the Dogma in particular have always been heavier than comparable carbon frames from other manufacturers

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The Dogma is not light if you take into account how much it costs. I guess the only way is to check serial numbers with head office.

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I did not confirm the official Dogma frame/ fork weight. This one is 1250g and 450g which sounds high

The Dogma is a fatty. The official weight it 950g, but that's for a naked frame with no fittings or paint. Actual frame weight is about 1210g plus 360g for the fork and 80g for the headset.

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?SKU=60468&COLOR=Team+Sky+473&SIZE=56cm&PAGE=BUY_FRAME_ONLY&PRODUCT.ID=6394&COMPONENT_PACKAGE.ID=25&size_select=16603&color_select=60468&Submit2=Continue

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Model: CXS-D60-WR

 

SKU: XFR00101

 

Frame Type: Road Racing

 

Material: Carbon Fiber Toray T700

 

Weight for Frame: 1250gr (Size 54)

 

Weight for Fork: 465gr (Size 54)

 

Frame Headset Size: 1-1/8" Standard

 

Seatpost Diameter: 31.6mm

 

Bottom Bracket: BB68 (English)

 

BB Shell Width: 68mm

 

BB Shell Diameter: 33.8mm

 

Size: 50/52/54/56/58

 

Color: White/Red

 

Manufacturer Warranty: 2 Years

 

 

 

CXS-D60-WR is a great new idea for 2010 – the beginning of a new generation of frames that will revolutionize the concept of racing bicycles. CXS-60 is the first completely asymmetric racing frame. The parts on the right side have different shapes and sections than the parts on the left. This is a true innovation in the cycling world and the point of no return for fans of extreme performance.

 

The frame was developed starting from the highly successful Prince, Best Racing Bike of the World (USA) for 2008 and 2009 and Bike of the Year in Italy for 2008 and 2009. The fork, the rear and the basic shapes are derived from this very fortunate frame but with the application of new, incredible technologies: the completely asymmetric design, the EPS Wrinkle Free System construction process and the material used – the carbon fiber T-700 by Toray that prevents sudden breakage.

 

This is the frame Geometry for size 56cm, please contact us for other sizes.

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They are not Dogma's. Not sure if they share the original mould, or a copy of the mould, but Ebay is littered with fake Pinarellos and fake Colnago c59's. Some guys openly admit to the them being fake, while other chancers try and sell them as original. Be wary.

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Looks like a Chinarello Dogpoo....

 

 

SPOT ON!

 

The round seat post is the first clue.

 

Check out this thread on weightweenies

 

And this one here

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Be wary.

 

Look, only be wary if the dude charges Pinarello prices, if they charge chinarello prices, then you get a damn good frame at a very good price.

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Look, only be wary if the dude charges Pinarello prices, if they charge chinarello prices, then you get a damn good frame at a very good price.

 

Agreed.

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I think we are all making a mistake thumping the dogma because of price vs weight. I really dont think the intention was to build a super light frame. They were focussing on a assymetrical design for optimal power transfer. I still think the price is much too high (dont think any bike should cost that)but we should look at the goal behind the frame before we shunt it on 1 aspect

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Be careful of fakes. Check this pic from the weightweenies thread. Rider was hurt badly in the crash, lost 3 teeth and got some ti plates in his face to fix broken bones:

 

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc125/Starnutspics/fakepina1.jpg

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