32GI

[Racingsnail]

I could give you the Coca Cola recipe too, but I have stuff to do this weekend and getting assassinated now would really mess things up for me

Any chance of a cure for male pattern baldness...for a friend of mine!

[Help.Me.]

Any chance of a cure for male pattern baldness...for a friend of mine!

+1 , but for me.... (Racingsnail you sure it is for a friend??)just checking

[Racingsnail]

+1 , but for me.... (Racingsnail you sure it is for a friend??)just checking

No same friend that had the STD during our road trip after school, but could not get out the car so I went into the chemist for him...

[Help.Me.]

No same friend that had the STD during our road trip after school, but could not get out the car so I went into the chemist for him...

[raptor]

Used 32gi for the 1st time this weekend normally used Pvm octane, used it on Saturday and felt ok then on Sunday morning used it again but this time found it did absolute nothing for me, will try this weekend on the longer rides again maybe i just had a bad day

[Thor Buttox]

I agree fully , i am not giving the product any negative rating , i am just glad that i am not the only one the product did not seem to work for... my time for the K2C was 60 min slower than the previous year and i used the same "training program" ??

Exactly... a was 65min slower... had a shocker... but to be fair I wasn't as fit, but I was quite a newcomer to cycling as a whole last year, and thought an extra year of riding would have still helped.

 

Also started cramping very early in the race even though I started quite slowly. Last year went balls to the wall for 75km without even eating anything and only cramped slightly in the last 10km. Weird.

[Thor Buttox]

And yes, I agree - could have been 60,000 reasons... fat, slow, unfit, ugly, big ears... the wind resistance is appalling!

 

And I'm not knocking the product - in fact, I really liked the taste alone, which is a bonus... just wanted to give another view. So will keep using it until I have some more rides with it under my belt.

[cyclingfan]

I am in Springs. Where is the closest pharmacy where I can buy 32Gi.

[MDW]

With all the comments good or bad it does not matter,I think some of you are missing the point with an "energy drink". An energy drink does not work miracles or make you perform better. Training and racing, low or high intensity, short or long events none of it is 100% related to what you take in on the day, there are three KEY things that are so crucial to performing and feeling good and that is

 

- Nutrition

- Rest

- Training

 

If you dont eat correctly 99% of the time, how can you expect to go on a training session and perform no matter what you take in.

Most top athletes actually train on water, some of our elite runners do 4-5 hour training sessions on water alone no food. Think about that, and yes its easily possible these guys are so so efficient at using their fat stores during mild intensity training that their glycogen levels are spared for longer. This is the kind of training you should all be getting used to, is making your body efficient very efficient at not relying on a glucose rush, because it does not actually make you perform better.

 

Rest is another important factor, any sleep deprivation, and that can be as little as 6 hours sleep a night instead of 8, will directly impact your performance there is no doubt, and then again solid sleep uninterrupted sleep is best.

 

Training, as mentioned above you need to do such a variety of training, know your body, I was chatting to Norrie Williamson the other evening, I consider him to be one of the top authorities on running, nutrition, injury etc in this country, and we were discussing lack of performance or cramping during Comrades for people, who actually perform so well in half the distance, and his response was very interesting, he was describing to me the way people tend to train specifically runners or cyclists, where they train at certain levels of intensity, but they never really train at a very low level of intensity, so they are missing out on a whole lot of muscle fibers that are not really trained, then they go and race Comrades and these muscles become the major muscle of use, why? because there aint any way someone who does a 3 hour marathon is going to run that pace for the entire Comrades. Stephen Muzhingi as an example, trains at 4.20 per km, for endurance events thats a walk in the park for him, but he has trained his body well enough to be able to go at race pace or dropped down pace.

 

You really got to hone in on your training, your nutrition is so so key, I had a pro-athlete come to me the other day, and he went into a race, and 1 hour in he went totally flat, he blamed anything and everything he could to pinpoint his problem. He was not using our energy drink, but even that would not have helped, him. He had a wheat-bix breakfast with sugar and milk, 1.5 hours before the race started, he went in on a energy dip and below the base, he blew up. Brilliant athlete, but one mistake he spiked himself before the start.

 

As someone mentioned above there are 60 000 or more reasons why something can go wrong, try training on pure H2O for a lot of your sessions, and then see how your body adapts to become more effecient, and not dependant on a swinging pendulum which for all intents and purposes really is difficult to control, I mean think about it, brain is the most protected organ, it is what controls the insulin response in the body, when it shuts off you need a fix, but then it is the muscles that need it, and you get this ever swinging pendulum in your body which you think you have under control, but you dont really ;-).

 

Guys an energy drink is not a supplement, a supplement is a addition to an excellent diet which you might be lacking, an energy drink is not one of them.

 

I have attached a chart below to explain something around glycogen its something that was drawn to me and I quite like it, as it assists in explaining the training efficiencies. Basically the chart shows a standard glycogen depletion line (in black) the second shows that the glycogen is spared a lot longer because the athlete is able to tap into his fat stores. This is what you are looking for, in an event the more efficient you become and the longer you can spare your glyocgen the more readily available fuel you have for longer. Now imagine being able to get to this stage by training your body, then throwing in 32Gi which supplies you the glucose BUT allows you to still readily tap your fat stores because the insulin response is lower. No overload will get you here, its why we say "sugar is bad".

 

Food for thought guys, but really before depending on an energy drink, depend upon your nutrition and training and know where and why you are going in a particular direction.

 

 

 

 

Later

M

[NielC]

Thanks Mark for your insightful and good updates - your reasoning is always sound! Just a quick one guys - I tried some 32GI on some plain yoghurt this morning and it was so good. So, instead of buying the flavoured rubbish we can get even healthier by using this as a 'sweetener'!

[MDW]

Thanks Mark for your insightful and good updates - your reasoning is always sound! Just a quick one guys - I tried some 32GI on some plain yoghurt this morning and it was so good. So, instead of buying the flavoured rubbish we can get even healthier by using this as a 'sweetener'!

Just by the way, yes you can add it to your breakfast, you dont have to drink it in water, its a naturally sweet product, and can be used to add into food, for those that feel drinking too much with water bloats, I have peach looking oats sometimes ;-)

[Argon18]

Tried it twice, first time 32Gi and nothing else, a 4 hour training ride felt unbelievable. Second time, a similar ride, and as soon as I added a energy bar, energy levels spiked and later "Hit the Wall"

Will try a race this weekend with nothing but 32Gi.

[Thor Buttox]

With all the comments good or bad it does not matter,I think some of you are missing the point with an "energy drink". An energy drink does not work miracles or make you perform better. Training and racing, low or high intensity, short or long events none of it is 100% related to what you take in on the day, there are three KEY things that are so crucial to performing and feeling good and that is

 

Thanks for the response, mate. I have read all your posts through this long and winding thread, and your passion for this is obvious. I guess what I was trying to get through was exactly what you said... it isn't this wonder product that a lot of these posts say and a lot of the "it's FANTASTIC, and UNBELIEVABLE..." etc actually makes me discount a lot of it.

 

The only thing that has ever "worked" exactly as a normal person suggested was Rennies for cramps, which I took with a pinch of salt, at first. But it worked. (and the salt didn't ).

 

So you are right... as I said, fit it into your training programme and train properly, sleep (I wish), etc, etc. Just don't think it is going to save you - as I found out.

 

Just a serious question - at one point, before I started eating sweets to help, I got dangerously dizzy, which I thought was very low blood sugar. I had had some biltong and a basic raisin bar, which I find I can get down on a longish ride. I really battle with the anything ultra-sweet, which is why I tried this in the first place. Should 32GI prevent this with it's long release? this was about 2.5 hours into the ride and I'd just had by 2 hour top up?

[MDW]

Can you tell me exactly what you ate pre-ride, during and at what times, exactly so I can see what happened, you mentioned raisins at what point did you take these in, all the best M

[Thor Buttox]

Can you tell me exactly what you ate pre-ride, during and at what times, exactly so I can see what happened, you mentioned raisins at what point did you take these in, all the best M

Hi

 

Breakfast - 2 pieces low GI bread, low sugar jam, and a banana. half hour before ride one scoop 32 GI as recommended.

 

First 2 hours of ride just sipped my water (which did have 32GI in it for the 2 hour dose), and had water at the watering points.

 

Then had the raisin bar/yoghurt bar at about two hours. Have been told you need to eat every hour, but I battle to eat on a ride for some reason.

 

Had the two hour in 32GI, but by then was already feeling knackered after one of the long climbs. Only thing different I had with me was some biltong, and I figured since I had started cramping already, the started wouldn't be too bad.

 

It was then like a yoyo for 55km. I've always forced GU's down previously but I never felt them give me a kick. That's why I was astounded when the enerjellies suddenly made me feel like a million bucks for about 10km. Then another helluva crash.

 

In the (distant) past I've trained six hours a day at another sport, so I know my body quite well, heart rate, etc. Just never had such a yoyo effect.

[canfan]

Bought some on Friday, Rode 3 hours on Saturday with it and it seems pretty good. Mistake I made was that I only took 1 bottle as I thought I would only be out for 2 hours. Instead I did a longer ride and ran out of fluids. So the last part was a bit uncomfortable with having nothing to drink. Cant wait to try it again. This time I will take 2 bottles.