32GI

[djvr]

I've been trying this drink on my training rides. This morning again and it does not work for me.

 

My muscles starts acing and I have no power. I wanted to do a 65km ride this morning, but only managed a slow 45km. Got home and it felt as if I did a 150km.

 

Will do the same ride tomorrow and use my usual drink and see how it goes, but for now

[MDW]

djvr u must remember an energy drink does not cause muscles to ache in all honesty you can ride 90km on water alone with a decent pre-training meal. The drink is there to spare glycogen, muscle aching comes from utilising certain muscle fibres more than the body is used to, I would like to see why you are experiencing this energy drink aside I think it's training related how often do you train a week, how variable are your workouts ie: speed and pace, strength and ease, etc etc

 

All the best

M

[George Nel]

The chews are so yummy and packed with punch,they almost taste better than my moms "malva poeding"!!

Bravo

[Mads]

Was wondering.. Does the neutral flavour have any colorants in. I am using the peach flavour at the moment and someone I know the Lime. What bothers me is the colorants? Why should it their be so much?

[MDW]

Hi Mads our colorants are natural so no need to stress about them but of course natural colorants still are colour. So to answer your question about the neutral - there are no courante or flavourants in the neutral at all. We brought it to market to cater for asthmatics or anyone sensitive to any courant. Also it can be combined with existing flavours to tone down the level of sweetness so for example 1 scoop of neutral and 1 scoop of raspberry is exactly the same serving u would get from any on it's own so you can develop your own taste comfort. The neutral does have a slight sweetness to it as our carbohydrate is naturally sweet remember it's a honey extract but regardless it's great like a coconut water in a way :-) hope this helps all the best

Mark

[Mads]

Yes thanks it does. If it is natural I guess I have no reason to worry.

[djvr]

to Mark for very interesting information he pm'd me ragarding the fatique I experienced Saturday.

 

I gladly support any product where after sales service is good. Will try out his suggestions over the next week or so.

[THE BODY CENTRE]

Mark – would appreciate your comments on this scenario

 

Experienced MTB rider – including stage races, 40+

Started riding with 32GI sometime before the CPT and was very happy with the drink. The first 3 days into the CPT, he felt good, raced well – placed in the top end of the field – fueled by 32GI. (Sorry, i am unclear on what else he took on the ride) On the 4 th day, he had a sudden and total sense of depletion, lost about an hour on GC. He then took 4 GU s and Coke and finished Day 4 on that. His interpretation of this incident was, that the low GI wasn’t enough to fuel his race needs, and at the same time keep his glycogen stores replenished for the consecutive days of hard racing. I personally think that his conclusion is incorrect

 

...but I would like to hear your opinion on this, and especially your view on nutrition for stage race event, like these

[Zoo Cookie 1]

Recently bought some. So far I like it.

[Wyatt Earp]

Mark – would appreciate your comments on this scenario

 

Experienced MTB rider – including stage races, 40+

Started riding with 32GI sometime before the CPT and was very happy with the drink. The first 3 days into the CPT, he felt good, raced well – placed in the top end of the field – fueled by 32GI. (Sorry, i am unclear on what else he took on the ride) On the 4 th day, he had a sudden and total sense of depletion, lost about an hour on GC. He then took 4 GU s and Coke and finished Day 4 on that. His interpretation of this incident was, that the low GI wasn’t enough to fuel his race needs, and at the same time keep his glycogen stores replenished for the consecutive days of hard racing. I personally think that his conclusion is incorrect

 

...but I would like to hear your opinion on this, and especially your view on nutrition for stage race event, like these

To be frank I don't think any supplement here would be to blame.

Experienced yes, but even the experienced loose the plot of their owns senses at times.

My short and sweet answer.

He felt good, rode outside of his limits on those first three days, took too much out of the tank and had to pay "output tax" on day 4.

[MDW]

Mark – would appreciate your comments on this scenario

 

Experienced MTB rider – including stage races, 40+

Started riding with 32GI sometime before the CPT and was very happy with the drink. The first 3 days into the CPT, he felt good, raced well – placed in the top end of the field – fueled by 32GI. (Sorry, i am unclear on what else he took on the ride) On the 4 th day, he had a sudden and total sense of depletion, lost about an hour on GC. He then took 4 GU s and Coke and finished Day 4 on that. His interpretation of this incident was, that the low GI wasn’t enough to fuel his race needs, and at the same time keep his glycogen stores replenished for the consecutive days of hard racing. I personally think that his conclusion is incorrect

 

...but I would like to hear your opinion on this, and especially your view on nutrition for stage race event, like these

Hi Ronelle I would need to have more information. You see he could be right, because the 32Gi is there to help spare glycogen stores and under heavy racing intensity glycogen as much as we try to spare it can be depleted. Once depleted only a high GI substance will get you out of that.

BUT, with that said. When stage racing from what you have said above, it sounds as though each of the days he was ok, but he could have had gradual glycogen depletion of the 3 days and on day 4 his stores were pretty empty, meaning gels and cokes.

Let me explain, lets say he started the race on full glycogen stores, and after the race his stores were half full. He at took in some nutrition and he replenished them slightly but not completely. Day 2 he did the same, but this time his stores were even less a third full say and he start day 3 with a little more. After day 3 he might have depleted them even more, and on day 4 he started the race, but he had nothing in the tank even before he started.

To me its not so much about the energy drink here, it clearly seems to be a state of nutrition, pre and post race.

 

The most important thing after a stage is glycogen replenishment, its so critical and no a can of coke is not going to do it. As an example, after a 5 hour ride, I take in a protein isolate 89% to 11% maltodextrin, I then take in a very complex carb meal with plenty of fibre and caffeine to help speed up the process. This is all done within 30 minutes of completion. You want to make sure that glycogen and muscle recovery are taking place urgently, because the next day you got to go out and hit another hard stage. Also during a stage race while racing the energy drink is one thing, but you should take in additional calories with that, remember the insulin spike with 32Gi is low allowing an athlete to benefit from lipolysis and ketone production to help fuel the muscles and spare glycogen. But when the intensity builds up and the athlete goes into his anaerobic threshold, lipolysis is not possible to fuel the muscles as the process takes longer. Only ATP can fuel them and this comes straight from the glycogen stores, the only way to help stabilize yourself at this stage is a high GI substance, and this keeps the brain from shutting off ;-). An athlete should really look at his race, and not just plan his race tactics but nutrition is so so critical I cant stress it enough and you need to plan for that as well. In the case of this gentleman it sounds as if he depleted his glycogen stores over time and finally hit the wall on day 4. I would need to have further information to make an accurate assumption but with what has been said this is the best I can do.

 

all the best

 

M

[THE BODY CENTRE]

To me its not so much about the energy drink here, it clearly seems to be a state of nutrition, pre and post race.

 

 

M

 

 

i agree. but u write it better

[Woofie]

No Woofie the gel is going to be a sustainable for a kick to the finish we want a 70 to 80 minute spike with a nice taper it will of course be towards the high GI range and we will taper u off slowly just something for the flat liners and the that want a little more rocket fuel :-)

 

Ah, I see

 

Personally I dont know if that will really do much for me??

 

When I first started on 32GI I was very nervous about the whole thing so on my first race I took some gels with incase it didnt work out for me.

About 45 min from the end of the race, energy still great, I decided to get some extra kick from my gels.

Well I took them and I felt zero difference all the way to the end.

The 32GI had already given me more than enough, so I couldnt feel any extra "energy" from the gels.

 

So that was the last time that I have tried gels.

 

But I suppose for the die hard gel fans this is a nice thing for them to use!

[LeTurbo]

I was dubious about 32GI - I'm so old-fashioned, I used water only. But I've used it on the Burger and the Langebaan Lagoon over the past two weeks. Usually I fade dramatically after about 70km, but I've actually got a bit of a "second wind" in these two races and finish stronger than I started.

 

Now I just have to follow the instructions properly: "start drinking half-an-hour before the race and finish within 2 hours". Damn, haven't been able to finish any race within 2 hours yet!

[MDW]

Wishing you all a very safe, healthy and happy festive season and a new year. May you all go from strength to strength and may all your goals for the new year be fill fuelled :-)

[Daniel XTR]

Must just say,

32 GI got me through Sabiex. (albeit lite) and the sabie preride of 8+hrs.

 

Lime flavor = fantastic!