Racing on a Sunday is a sin

[3000]

Sorry my keyboard is playing up,corrected the errors

[TNT1]

What's the story with the deo gloria pro's?

 

Rupert and Morne used to be sponsored by Deo Gloria. They raced on Sundays. I still reckon Rupert woulda made a better rugby player than cyclist. We used to shout "Scrum, Rupert" as a team mate attacked. Ah, fun times. Like calling Jock Rodney. Boy did he get mad.

[The Guy in Pink]

It actually all makes sense in 11 dimensions - Hyperspace!

4 is about 3 too many for my small brain to get around, so I'll stick to that.

[TNT1]

So, religion, yeah?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKvJaJKPPk

Edited November 25, 2011 by TNT1

[TNT1]

And not forgetting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umRRCkspaQU&feature=related

Edited November 25, 2011 by TNT1

[TNT1]

And for a rational take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfa88SeNohY

[jmaccelari]

It was a big Bang The day God said let there be light.What bigger BANG do people want :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

The only bang you would have heard here was the pop as your crack pipe exploded...

[TNT1]

It was a big Bang The day God said let there be light.What bigger BANG do people want

 

Penny will do just fine, thanks.

[Wyatt Earp]

Yo, yo, yo freaks, phreaks and preachers, enjoy the ride tomorrow.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Ok ... the eternal, all powerful, omnipotent, omnipresent etc .. who has been around for millions of billions of years needs to rest for 24 hours .. makes sense.

 

I wasn't going to comment further but, I just want to put something straight, the bible was written by people, they wrote as they saw fit and to the best of their ability and knowledge of the day, so when they said "on the seventh day God rested" its a parable, no-one has ever seen God so how would they know he rested on the seventh day.? Its similar when they said God created the world in 6 days, they didnt know for sure, they just used a time they felt was fitting. Remember they were preaching to an uneducated people, farmers, slaves, laborers,they did not understand physics or modern theories, so the priests had to talk to them in terms they did understand, what today we would call "baby talk."

 

Now onto the above quote, as I said no-one has seen God, so no one knows if he rested or needed to rest, what we do know is Jesus was a man, and he did need to rest.

 

Jesus preached keeping the Sabbath holy because he knew people needed to rest. Lords and kings in those days thought nothing of working their laborers 12 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year, there were no labour laws, no unions to make labour rules, no lawyers to protect them from exploitation, so Jesus said "neither you (kings) nor your manservant or maidservant shall work on the Sabbath and you shall keep it holy" - the reason he said this was to make people understand they needed to give their workers a day to rest, and to qualify it he said 'KEEP IT HOLY" this was because people had no entertainment back then, they could not pop down to the mall and go window shopping, or take in a movie, going to the temple was for them a social event, they got together and prayed, then afterwards they would socialize.

 

Merchants knew people came to the temple on the Sabbath, so they set up markets near by where they could trade goods, people could buy food and drink and enjoy friends company before walking miles and miles home, there were no buses, trains, undergrounds, these people walked everywhere and they were spread out over great distances so they only saw friends on the Sabbath at the temple. The temple was everything to these uneducated people, it was where they prayed, where they sought advice, traded, socialized, banked, were healed, purchased foods, without the temple's of the day they could not have survived.

 

Today Christians see the Sabbath more as a day of OBSERVANCE, it do's not mean you have to sit and watch the moss grow, but most Christian churches expect their parish to observe the day by attending mass, afterwards I see no reason to not enjoy the day as you see fit.

[The Drongo]

 

Merchants knew people came to the temple on the Sabbath, so they set up markets near by where they could trade goods, people could buy food and drink and enjoy friends company before walking miles and miles home, there were no buses, trains, undergrounds, these people walked everywhere and they were spread out over great distances so they only saw friends on the Sabbath at the temple. The temple was everything to these uneducated people, it was where they prayed, where they sought advice, traded, socialized, banked, were healed, purchased foods, without the temple's of the day they could not have survived.

 

 

As I recall Them Merchants set up shop INSIDE the temple. It was Jesus who tossed them out, no?....Scroll forward, now we have Bingo halls and Barn dancing....

Time for some more tossing out I reckon!

[Johan Bornman]

I wasn't going to comment further but, I just want to put something straight, the bible was written by people, they wrote as they saw fit and to the best of their ability and knowledge of the day, so when they said "on the seventh day God rested" its a parable, no-one has ever seen God so how would they know he rested on the seventh day.? Its similar when they said God created the world in 6 days, they didnt know for sure, they just used a time they felt was fitting. Remember they were preaching to an uneducated people, farmers, slaves, laborers,they did not understand physics or modern theories, so the priests had to talk to them in terms they did understand, what today we would call "baby talk."

 

Yup, it was written by humans and if we believe the supposed time-frame, it was written by humans who thought the earth was flat, shooting stars were visiting gods, ghost were real, killing something on an altar would appease invisible beings and unexplained phenomena were there with compliments of happy or angry gods. I accept that it is a parable, but then we have to cast doubt on the script in its entirety. Who are we now to say some bits are embellished and some bits are for real.

 

 

Now onto the above quote, as I said no-one has seen God, so no one knows if he rested or needed to rest, what we do know is Jesus was a man, and he did need to rest.

 

Jesus wasn't around when the alleged resting period happened, so your Jesus is a man and therefore needed to rest and set that example explanation doesn't hold water. Besides, when he eventually took the cue to come on stage he was a god walking on earth posing as a man. I don't see why he needed to rest. This is just so convoluted.

 

 

 

Jesus preached keeping the Sabbath holy because he knew people needed to rest. Lords and kings in those days thought nothing of working their laborers 12 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year, there were no labour laws, no unions to make labour rules, no lawyers to protect them from exploitation, so Jesus said "neither you (kings) nor your manservant or maidservant shall work on the Sabbath and you shall keep it holy" - the reason he said this was to make people understand they needed to give their workers a day to rest, and to qualify it he said 'KEEP IT HOLY" this was because people had no entertainment back then, they could not pop down to the mall and go window shopping, or take in a movie, going to the temple was for them a social event, they got together and prayed, then afterwards they would socialize.

 

So why didn't he just command them to rest? Why the baby talk that confused the pious for centuries and centuries? Why didn't the ten commandments just have a few simple lines that would have sorted out all the ambiguity - don't exploit your underlings - don't enslave people - etc etc?

 

 

Merchants knew people came to the temple on the Sabbath, so they set up markets near by where they could trade goods, people could buy food and drink and enjoy friends company before walking miles and miles home, there were no buses, trains, undergrounds, these people walked everywhere and they were spread out over great distances so they only saw friends on the Sabbath at the temple. The temple was everything to these uneducated people, it was where they prayed, where they sought advice, traded, socialized, banked, were healed, purchased foods, without the temple's of the day they could not have survived.

 

This sounds like a normal day to me. Either they were resting, or they were shopping. Which one shall it be?

 

 

Today Christians see the Sabbath more as a day of OBSERVANCE, it do's not mean you have to sit and watch the moss grow, but most Christian churches expect their parish to observe the day by attending mass, afterwards I see no reason to not enjoy the day as you see fit.

 

You confuse me. Either god rested on the seventh day (or first day or whatever we call Sunday today) or he didn't.

 

Either the bible is god's word or it is a meme eventually recorded in script. It can't be both.

 

Either we follow the rule as written in this script or we interpret it as a tale and apply or don't apply it.

[Chubba]

Time for some more tossing out I reckon!

Nothing wrong with some "tossing", now and agan! (To keep you blinded.)

[GrumpyOldGuy]

As I recall Them Merchants set up shop INSIDE the temple. It was Jesus who tossed them out, no?....Scroll forward, now we have Bingo halls and Barn dancing....

Time for some more tossing out I reckon!

 

Indeed, in some cases, so you are correct. I meant it more in a general sense, merchants knew the people were tired, hungry and thirsty so they catered to their needs. Very much like today I guess......and I agree on the modern tossing out as well.

[The Guy in Pink]

Today Christians see the Sabbath more as a day of OBSERVANCE, it do's not mean you have to sit and watch the moss grow, but most Christian churches expect their parish to observe the day by attending mass, afterwards I see no reason to not enjoy the day as you see fit.

Grumps, The problem comes when some people (such as the fella in the first post of this thread) take things very literally and then tell others what to do with their time and how to observe the day.

I lived in Sasolburg in the OFS at a time when fishing on a Sunday was a criminal offence on Sunday in the OFS. People would fish on the South Bank of the Vaal on Saturday and cross over the river to fish in the Transvaal on the North Bank of the Vaal on Sunday. Total nonsense but it was law.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Yup, it was written by humans and if we believe the supposed time-frame, it was written by humans who thought the earth was flat, shooting stars were visiting gods, ghost were real, killing something on an altar would appease invisible beings and unexplained phenomena were there with compliments of happy or angry gods. I accept that it is a parable, but then we have to cast doubt on the script in its entirety. Who are we now to say some bits are embellished and some bits are for real.

 

It depends, there are biblical scholars who take the bible as a literal word, in other words if it says 6 days they teach that. Then there are others who say its not possible, its just a parable to teach to an uneducated mass, they could not tell an illiterate farmer about atoms, they didnt know themselves. You, like many are looking at the words of the bible from the eyes and understanding of the 20th century scholar, back then they may very well have believed the earth was flat, I don't know, they certainly believed their surrounding was the world, they could not jump in a plane and fly to New York, so if it flooded where they lived, they thought it flooded everywhere. Hense the parable of the ARC. There are lots of errors in the bible, it was written and changed and translated over years and years by many different people, its not one author, so yeah, there are faults as there are likely going to be faults in todays teachings when one looks back in another 2000 years.

 

 

 

Jesus wasn't around when the alleged resting period happened, so your Jesus is a man and therefore needed to rest and set that example explanation doesn't hold water. Besides, when he eventually took the cue to come on stage he was a god walking on earth posing as a man. I don't see why he needed to rest. This is just so convoluted.

 

No he was never ever a God posing as a man, he was a mortal man, flesh and blood, he bled, felt pain suffered and died. He arose as a spiritual being, he was not a god before the crucifixion.

 

 

 

 

So why didn't he just command them to rest? Why the baby talk that confused the pious for centuries and centuries? Why didn't the ten commandments just have a few simple lines that would have sorted out all the ambiguity - don't exploit your underlings - don't enslave people - etc etc?

 

As I said, they would not listen, why should they, there were no consequences, nobody to say I'll take you to court, he needed to get a message across to a people who only understood the basics. People have always worshiped something, be it stones or stars, Jesus wanted them to come to him, to hear his word, hense he also said "you shall not worship false Gods."

 

 

 

This sounds like a normal day to me. Either they were resting, or they were shopping. Which one shall it be?

 

 

 

You confuse me. Either god rested on the seventh day (or first day or whatever we call Sunday today) or he didn't.

 

Either the bible is god's word or it is a meme eventually recorded in script. It can't be both.

 

Either we follow the rule as written in this script or we interpret it as a tale and apply or don't apply it.

 

We don't know if he rested, he could have, no one has seen him to ask, maybe one day when we do meet we will find out, until then we don't know for sure. As I said above it depends on the biblical scholar you follow, from the seminars I have attended they think it was a parable to preach a message because we simply do not know.

 

However that do's not mean the entire bible is a parable, millions saw Jesus from a babe in a manager to the miracles he worked, to his walking the land and preaching his faith to his crucifixion, death and resurrection. He was known to the apostles, he was seen daily, the new testament is easily provable, but many confuse the two testaments and thats where there is often confusion.

 

That said I am an absolute believer and a fervant Christian, I have studied the bible for years, however I am the first to admit there are inaccuracies, I could list many, but they have to be seen from the times they were written, not from today's understanding.

 

....but nice debate Johan, good points on both side's