Rugby...

[hanoj]

It MUST be Heineke Meyer's fault

It must be him. He also did the same with Blue Bulls rugby

[Big H*]

It must be him. He also did the same with Blue Bulls rugby

 

Short memory mmmmmmmmm???

 

Does only SA team and Super 14 ring a bell???

[Stretch]

 

 

Short memory mmmmmmmmm???

 

Does only SA team and Super 14 ring a bell???

 

Ha ha oom you make me laugh...that's like praising English football based upon their 1966 world cup win....Times have changed since the bulls won the super 14

 

Also didn't the lions win the super 10 once?

[nickc]

A few minutes before half time, we had a lineout on their 10 m line, won the ball at the front and started a drive. Bob the commentator reckons maybe we can move the ball upfield and "engineer a penalty". Is that what we've become?

 

 

Yip - a pretty dismal game, the only highlight for me was that Sharks players scored all the points.

 

Go Sharkies !!

[flymango]

I would still like to know if that try wasn't offside? HM might be happy, but next Saturday will actually gauge just how far we are behind the All Blacks. And Lambie is NOT a 10. He's my first choice 15, even though Zane had a good game on defence. Elton might have made a difference.

[Big H*]

 

 

Ha ha oom you make me laugh...that's like praising English football based upon their 1966 world cup win....Times have changed since the bulls won the super 14

 

Also didn't the lions win the super 10 once?

 

Context perd..... Focus

[Stretch]

I would still like to know if that try wasn't offside?

 

we had a long discussion about that. he was retreating and the english player knocked it on to him which then made it legal for him to gather the ball..that is the way i see it...but i am not that clued up -be interesting to hear the opinion of someone clued up

[ccc2]

Nigel Owens has something against us or he is just a pretty sh** because this isn't the first game that he was sh** blowing SA games

he says to Jannie Doep , "if u can't scrum then i will have someone else come on to do it in your place" (something to that effect) , in front of all the fwd's. Jannie must have felt 'small'. the perfect retort would have been ' i can't scrum and you can't ref'.

['Dale]

 

he says to Jannie Doep , "if u can't scrum then i will have someone else come on to do it in your place" (something to that effect) , in front of all the fwd's. Jannie must have felt 'small'. the perfect retort would have been ' i can't scrum and you can't ref'.

 

The commentators definitely disapproved.

It was unprofessional.

 

:-/

[mazambaan]

@Stretch & Flymango - I don't know but believe there was an explanation on Rugby365 as below:

 

"It was a try. The referee awarded the try and the referee is 'the sole judge of fact and Law during a match'. But was his judgement right.

 

He did take advice from the TMO whose scripted advice was: 'You may award the try.'

 

But should it have been awarded? Was the judgement right? Was the Law correctly applied? It is an interesting situation.

 

The Springboks have a five-metre line-out. They look to set a maul on Eben Etzebeth but England repulse it. The Springboks bash and then look to go wide. Ruan Pienaar passes to Juandré Kruger who goes into the tackle but loses the ball backwards. Ben Youngs of England kicks the ball but straight onto JP Pietersen. The ball ricochets off Pietersen and flies forward through the air towards the England goal-line. Ben Morgan of England puts up a hand to the ball but does not catch it. He knocks the ball forward into Willem Alberts's grasp, and the big flank plunges over for a try.

 

The distances may be relevant. Kruger loses the ball backwards before making contact just over five metres from the England line. The ball goes back and is about seven metres from the line when Youngs kicks it. He kicks it upwards and it strikes Petersen above the knee. It flies forward. Morgan, who had been involved at defence near the England line, tries to play the ball. He is then about a metre from the England line. Vermeulen, who had been involved in the attack on the England line, is about a metre further infield from Morgan.

 

The try took the score to 16-6, just enough for the Springboks to win by one point.

 

Was Alberts offside?

 

Law 11 – DEFINITIONS

In general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball, or in front of a team-mate who last played the ball. Offside means that a player is temporarily out of the game. Such players are liable to be penalised if they take part in the game.

 

The ball was last played by Morgan, an opponent.

 

Alberts was well in front of Pietersen when Pietersen played the ball but then Morgan played it.

 

Did Morgan's action put Alberts onside?

 

Law 11.3 BEING PUT ONSIDE BY OPPONENTS

In general play, there are three ways by which an offside player can be put onside by an action of the opposing team. These three ways do not apply to a player who is offside under the 10-Metre Law.

(a) Runs 5 metres with ball. When an opponent carrying the ball runs 5 metres, the offside player is put onside.

(B) Kicks or passes. When an opponent kicks or passes the ball, the offside player is put onside.

© Intentionally touches ball. When an opponent intentionally touches the ball but does not catch it, the offside player is put onside.

 

Morgan intentionally touched the ball.

 

But then there is this 'under the 10-Metre Law' thing.

 

Law 11.4 OFFSIDE UNDER THE 10-METRE LAW

(a) When a team-mate of an offside player has kicked ahead, the offside player is considered to be taking part in the game if the player is in front of an imaginary line across the field which is 10 metres from the opponent waiting to play the ball, or from where the ball lands or may land. The offside player must immediately move behind the imaginary 10-metre line or the kicker if this is closer than 10 metres. While moving away, the player must not obstruct an opponent.

Sanction: Penalty kick

 

The 10-metre law is only from a kick. There is an obvious question here: did Pietersen kick the ball?

 

Law DEFINITION

Kick: a kick is made by hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot, except the heel, and from knee to toe, but not including the knee. A kick must move a visible distance out of the hand.

 

First, it seemed that the ball hit Pietersen, rather than vice versa. Secondly, it hit him above the knee. That means that he did not kick the ball at all.

 

Pietrersen did not kick the ball. Morgan played the ball

 

From this it would seem that the it was the correct decision to award the try.

 

But, be fair, it is a lot of information for the referee and his helpers to process."

[hanoj]

The commentators definitely disapproved.

It was unprofessional.

There's just to many of these refs like Nigel Owens. Luckily did Bryce Lawrence retire

[Stretch]

From this it would seem that the it was the correct decision to award the try.

 

But, be fair, it is a lot of information for the referee and his helpers to process."

 

interesting...it all then boils down to the definition of the kick as i see it

 

thanks for that

[Escapee..]

Still the best End of Year Tour since 2008..

But will it makes us a better team going towards the 2015 WC is hard to say

[fabes]

[Sharkie 2]

Whoever made that a cock up as there is no C...but still funny

['Dale]

Surprising to see the Bokke at 2nd.

ABs light years ahead.

 

From SS

 

* The All Blacks have scored 47 tries so far in 2012, with the following in descending order: South Africa 23, France and Ireland 22, England and Wales 20 and Australia and Scotland 14.