mp321 Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I would like to know why PPA has taken back the league from Cyclelab this season? Cyclelab had a sponsor for the league, Aca Joe, what has happened to this sponsor?
Kriek Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I recall Aca Joe saying at the summer prize giving that they will continue...?
Proud PPA Member Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 The sponsorhip fell through for reason unknown.
Proud PPA Member Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Logic / common sense seams to go out the window when riding in a group.
milky4130 Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 I have no gripes with either parties running the league except since PPA is now running it I would've expected to see a massive reduction in entry fee, non sponsored riders cannot justify these costs, which leaves us to ride in the seeded groups. Also let the league be made up of 5-7 PPA road races & in addition throw in a hill climb & TT, that's what I would l would like to see for Summer. Lucky Luke. 1
MTB_Roadie Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Cyclelab wanted PPA to pay them 150 000 to run the league, then CL still collect entries to run at a profit. PPA decided that 150 000 was too much and could run the league themselves without "paying" cyclelab for essentially the same thing. Instead of passing on costs they internalised it to save the racers money. YES there were frills to the Pro Classic, this was a 1st attempt by the PPA, and put on 6 races when in reality there would only have been three. The points calculation was a problem and this is handled by racetec (outsourced) There are options to Title Sponsor the league and we hope these are entertained and provide additional value to the league in summer. That is crazy, probably for Cycle Lab to atleast make some money to fund their pathetic bike shops...clearly the cyclist interest wernt taken into consideration. I think PPA did a pretty good job, yes the points is delayed, but besides that overall organising of events was pretty well. The calender only has 3 road races in spring, would be cool to get Die Burger onto the list for spring....but besides that it went well... Edited October 31, 2012 by MTB_Roadie
Eugene Oppelt Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 The points administration was poor. The racing awesome. The entry fee - eina.
Eugene Oppelt Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 The entry fee: PPA make no profit, this is what it costs for marshalls, commisaires, timing, thinkbike, etc etc... especially after PPA added a race when TDW was cancelled, they could have not done so as running it stand alone cost extra money which we as riders did not chip in more for, that was a straight up loss. Timing: I'm sure will be streamlined in future. Thanx for the behind-the-scenes point of view, Zilla...
Tubehunter Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 What's the entry fee for summer league?? Where can I get more details?
Eugene Oppelt Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 @zilla, Will there be a Summer League?Can you say? I know sponsorship challenges can turn things upside down.
AuctionLamb Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Cyclelab wanted PPA to pay them 150 000 to run the league, then CL still collect entries to run at a profit. PPA decided that 150 000 was too much and could run the league themselves without "paying" cyclelab for essentially the same thing. Instead of passing on costs they internalised it to save the racers money. YES there were frills to the Pro Classic, this was a 1st attempt by the PPA, and put on 6 races when in reality there would only have been three. The points calculation was a problem and this is handled by racetec (outsourced) There are options to Title Sponsor the league and we hope these are entertained and provide additional value to the league in summer. CL wanted 150 000 to run a National Pro Classic series...not for a local league. Just hope MTB_Roadie's LBS is supporting racing in the Western Cape Edited October 31, 2012 by AuctionLamb
Baster Brak Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 League was better orginesed last year, PPA should maintain focus on the fun rides, they are good at that, the requirements for racing is much different though and this should be handled by someone that understands racing, ascthe requirements of a racing snake and that of a fun rider is as far apart as their respective BMI's, maybe they can co sanction some events ut the league portion to be handelled by someone else than PPA
Tubehunter Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) CL wanted 150 000 to run a National Pro Classic series...not for a local league. Just hope MTB_Roadie's LBS is supporting racing in the Western Cape Why would PPA want to invest into a National series if the overwhelming majority of their member base is in the Western Cape and the events they would want their members to ride in are hosted in this region? Is there a different number for having a local league as this seems to fit the requirement. Either way its beside the point, as I'm still trying to figure out why CL would want that money AND still collect entries. PPA are definitely getting the raw end of the stick then. That makes no fiscal sense. Edited October 31, 2012 by Tubehunter
ccc2 Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 the spring league was in doubt for some time and was organised by the ppa & wpca. entries were down on previous years - no stars in training and the vets,masters and women numbers are also drastically down.entry fees were reduced so it will be interesting to see the final income vs expenses.the biggest expenses go towards making your racing as safe as possible:officials,police, think bike,ambulance,Racetec,toilets don't come cheap when they need to be hired for a stand alone event like the league events at Paardeberg,Red Hill climb and Atlantis. no-one at the PPA/WPCA was paid to be organisers and marshals.any profit won't be given to a charity or paid out in salaries or put into anyone's pocket but will be ploughed back into cycling.don't even mention a loss situation.league wasn't perfect by all accounts, i'll be the first to admit it, any constructive critiscim (spelling) will be welcome.
MTB_Roadie Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 CL wanted 150 000 to run a National Pro Classic series...not for a local league. Just hope MTB_Roadie's LBS is supporting racing in the Western Cape That is not the point, 150k for a national event and they still take the income proceeds of registration....sounds like ripoff to me....do the maths...they dont even give proper money, they gave me a flippen voucher for a 3rd place last season, no thank you.....so R150000 + Entry fee's...so rather than promoting cycling they are thinking of their pockets....anyway....Aca Joe sponsored as well so not really sure why Cycle Lab want 150k to organise like 13 races during the whole year? I support my LBS because he does not rip me off.
MTB_Roadie Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 the spring league was in doubt for some time and was organised by the ppa & wpca. entries were down on previous years - no stars in training and the vets,masters and women numbers are also drastically down.entry fees were reduced so it will be interesting to see the final income vs expenses.the biggest expenses go towards making your racing as safe as possible:officials,police, think bike,ambulance,Racetec,toilets don't come cheap when they need to be hired for a stand alone event like the league events at Paardeberg,Red Hill climb and Atlantis. no-one at the PPA/WPCA was paid to be organisers and marshals.any profit won't be given to a charity or paid out in salaries or put into anyone's pocket but will be ploughed back into cycling.don't even mention a loss situation.league wasn't perfect by all accounts, i'll be the first to admit it, any constructive critiscim (spelling) will be welcome. And that is exactly the reason I pay my PPA fee's, league fees, etc to PPA, because they build cycling.....and try improve it.
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