LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[Helpmytrap]

My money is on flaxseed oil as the culprit (did you make a fat shake with it by any chance?)

 

I have dropped it completely from my diet. No need for it. Not a brilliant source of omega 3's anyway - get all mine from fatty fish sources.

I struggle to get Flaxseed down, so this morning I thought I'd put it in the fat shake to disguise the taste a bit (didn't work.) Was 20g of the stuff. I felt okay for 1.5hrs after eating before feeling nauseous.

 

I'll see if I can find a thing I read last year about flaxseed, but like you say it is a pathetic source of Omega 3 because (will see if I can find the exact numbers) only 1 in every 14or40 men have the ability to break it down and of those few men, only a max of 10% can be absorbed.

 

Not the one I was referring to but some info on Flax http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=76

Edited June 27, 2013 by Helpmytrap

[htone]

Below the fat and carb values for dairy, in the format Product, Fat, Carbs (based on about 250 ml / 250 g / 1 cup):

(all products are full fat)

 

Milk, 9g, 11g

Cream, 88g, 6g

Cream Cheese, 80g, 9g

Cottage Cheese, 10g, 8g

Cheddar Cheese, 88g, 4g

Yogurt (plain), 8g, 11g

Butter, 184g, 0g

 

Just for sh1ts and giggles, no-fat milk has 1g of fat and 14g of Carbs - the equivalent of 3 teaspoons of sugar.

Now decide if you still want to buy the low-fat products....

[Helpmytrap]

Just checked your YTD elevation :eek: WOW!

 

Now I feel nauseous

Sky's the limit does not apply.

[htone]

I struggle to get Flaxseed down, so this morning I thought I'd put it in the fat shake to disguise the taste a bit (didn't work.) Was 20g of the stuff. I felt okay for 1.5hrs after eating before feeling nauseous.

 

I'll see if I can find a thing I read last year about flaxseed, but like you say it is a pathetic source of Omega 3 because (will see if I can find the exact numbers) only 1 in every 14or40 men have the ability to break it down and of those few men, only a max of 10% can be absorbed.

 

Not the one I was referring to but some info on Flax http://www.whfoods.c...=george&dbid=76

 

I spent a week in JNB without my regular fat shake and only had cream there to whip up breakfast. Upon my return I chugged down my regular fatshake, albeit without flaxseed oil, and lo and behold - about an hour later the nausea hit me ! I think one really has to "ease" into that amount of fat, clearly I became unadapted in a week !

 

PS. We used to add flaxseed oil because my wife is allergic to fish, and that was the only real other source of Omega 3. However, she has since had more extensive allergy tests done and she is only allergic to shellfish - she has been happily adding Omega 3 fish oil tabs to her diet for the last month without any probs !

[htone]

I have enjoyed my walnuts in the past.

 

But then I decided to look more into the issue of polyunsaturated fats. And walnuts keep appearing at the top of the list.

 

 

Where do macadamias feature on your list tombeej, as that has always been touted as an allowed LCHF nut ?

[htone]

Just some more parting thoughts on the dairy topic:

 

If you can get hold of a blood glucose tester, use it to determine if you have any insulin response after eating dairy. I have a response to milk, but not to butter or cream (although the carb numbers that I quoted above should explain that quite clearly). Not everyone reacts the same to milk though, some people have a high insulinogenic response while for others it has no effect. You can determine through self-experimentation which dairy products you react to.

 

A blood glucose tester has allowed me to prove that in my own case, I react exactly the same to white bread, brown bread, low GI bread and even commercial rye bread ! In fact, if I think back to the single thing that triggered my whole journey to LCHF, it was a blood glucose reading of 14 after ingesting two slices of health bread from a mix I bought at Dischem....

 

So back to the dairy - check if you react to yogurt, for instance. "Proper" fermented yogurt's sugars have all been partially broken down and should not cause a heavy insulin response, but if you are looking for a source of fat amongst dairy products, yogurt should not be at the top of your shopping list !

[Helpmytrap]

Noel Jensen ‏@JingDoc 22 Jun

Flaxseed oil is touted as an alternative to fish oil. Problem is that the omega-3s (ALA) in it must be converted into EPA and DHA.

 

Noel Jensen ‏@JingDoc 22 Jun

Because of this conversion, you need to consume about 6-1 flaxseed oil vs. fish oil to have the same impact on the O-3 levels.

 

Unfortunately I can't find the document I was looking for but it is this conversion process at fault.

This is also a good guy to follow on Twitter, posts a lot of stuff regarding micronutrients and deficiencies thereof.

[htone]

If you watch no other online video this week, then watch this emotional pitch by Dr Peter Attia at TedMed:

 

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html?embed=true

 

Goosebumps !

[tombeej]

Where do macadamias feature on your list tombeej, as that has always been touted as an allowed LCHF nut ?

 

Macnuts are very low in polyunsaturates:

 

From a serving size of 1 ounce (28.35g):

 

Total Fat: 21.6g (76.2%)

Saturated fat: 3.4g (12.0%)

Monounsaturated fat: 16.8g (59.3%)

Polyunsaturated fat: 0.4g (1.4%)

 

And also has one of the best omega 3:6 ratios out there:

http://www.eat-real-...ut-omega-6.html

Edited June 27, 2013 by tombeej

[Helpmytrap]

If you watch no other online video this week, then watch this emotional pitch by Dr Peter Attia at TedMed:

 

http://www.ted.com/t...html?embed=true

 

Goosebumps !

I watched it last night, made me realise that I do the same thing as he did (look down on obese people for being "lazy.") I'll be more sympathetic from here on in, it was a real eye opener.

 

I posted it in "I have an idea for a new thread..." yesterday. Silly place to post it.

Edited June 27, 2013 by Helpmytrap

[htone]

That is not good news, but 'the dragon bears a gift under its wing' more often than we care to realise..

What line are work are you in ? Put it out here, you never know, someone may know someone who knows someone. You know how it goes.

 

Placed an ad right here on the Hub today - never thought I would do that, but hey "Who dares wins" !

So if you know someone who knows someone... lemme know, OK ?

Absolute final end of hijack, I promise.

[htone]

I watched it last night, made me realise that I do the same thing as he did (look down on obese people for being "lazy.") I'll be more sympathetic from here on in, it was a real eye opener.

 

I posted it in "I have an idea for a new thread..." yesterday. Silly place to post it.

 

Don't we all ? And it has been quite convenient to blame the sloth (he does no exercise) or gluttony (look at how fat he is) as that has taken all the attention away from the REAL cause !!!

 

By the way, have you seen the latest moves from e.g. Coke, where they are now reacting to the worldwide outcry about high fructose corn syrup and they are going to produce lines made from PURE SUGAR again ? WTF ???

[Wet Ears]

 

 

Milk itself is highly insulinogenic - it has been shown to elicit a very high insulin response (as high as white bread).

 

Butter and full cream are not.

 

Here's a quote from Mark Sasson on the subject:

 

 

Dairy intake, you see, stimulates insulin secretion. Lots and lots of it – more than can be explained by the lactose (a sugar) content. In fact, the lactose content of dairy doesn’t even have a big insulin effect when compared to other carbs. This is surprising to some, since the general understanding is that insulin is released primarily in response to carbohydrate intake. What gives? Well, in evolutionary terms, think about a growing beast needing to maximize the utility of every drop of the precious liquid. With dairy, it’s the protein plus the carbs that are responsible for the large insulin release. Take milk, the most egregious “offender.” Both skim and whole milk (PDF) elicit significant insulin responses that you wouldn’t predict from looking at their protein and carb contents, and the fat in whole milk doesn’t blunt it (maybe non-homogenized whole milk would be a different story… I don’t know). Cream and butter are not particularly insulinogenic, while milk of all kinds, yogurt, cottage cheese, and anything with casein or whey, including powders and cottage cheese, elicits a significant insulin response. In one study (PDF), milk was even more insulinogenic than white bread, but less so than whey protein with added lactose and cheese with added lactose. Another study (PDF) found that full-fat fermented milk products and regular full-fat milk were about as insulinogenic as white bread.

What’s going on here? It comes down to the amino acid composition of dairy proteins, specifically the amino acids leucine, valine, lysine, and isoleucine. These are the truly insulinogenic proteins, and they’re highest in whey.

 

Looks like I need to cut down on my Woolies Dbl Cream Greek yoghurt!

 

Edited June 27, 2013 by Wet Ears

[Wet Ears]

On NNS - the longer you are on LCHF, the less your need for that will become. I still sit with two full containers of Xylitol that I bought when I started this, because I thought I would need to sweeten things up. Interestingly enough, we now eat Bulgarian Yogurt and Nommu Skinny as a choc mousse substitute for desert, but when we had friends around for a meal the other day and offered them that as pudding, their consensus was that it was "not sweet enough to their taste" !

 

Work through the dietdoctor site, he has plenty of experiments to prove that although NNS (diet Pepsi in his case) did not raise blood sugar, it did suppress ketones, thereby proving that the modern NNS is sweet enough to trick the body into having an insulin-like response. Try and avoid it, you will look back at this conversation later and remember that it was just the last part of your sugar addiction fooling with you.

 

That's why my Xylitol is still unopened - trying to kick the sweet tooth habit/craving

[Wet Ears]

 

 

I spent a week in JNB without my regular fat shake and only had cream there to whip up breakfast. Upon my return I chugged down my regular fatshake, albeit without flaxseed oil, and lo and behold - about an hour later the nausea hit me ! I think one really has to "ease" into that amount of fat, clearly I became unadapted in a week !

 

PS. We used to add flaxseed oil because my wife is allergic to fish, and that was the only real other source of Omega 3. However, she has since had more extensive allergy tests done and she is only allergic to shellfish - she has been happily adding Omega 3 fish oil tabs to her diet for the last month without any probs !

 

I am trying to figure out the exact amount of omega 3 supps that I need to take, if any. I know a lot of it depends on what you are eating on a daily basis though? Is there a rough guide one can work with?

[htone]

I am trying to figure out the exact amount of omega 3 supps that I need to take, if any. I know a lot of it depends on what you are eating on a daily basis though? Is there a rough guide one can work with?

 

I take 3000mg (3 capsules) of OmegaChoice Ultraheart (no fishy aftertaste !) every day a/p recommendation from 3 different cardiologists. I don't think you can overdo Omega 3, so I would say aim for at least 2000mg per day.