LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[Wet Ears]

Good to have the "old" thread back, was worried that we had lost it there for a whilst!

[htone]

This is what the good prof tweeted to me upon asking the same thing after going LCHF and cholesterol numbers climbing (and my wife worried I was killing myself due to societies conditioning that u will die if u have high cholesterol)...

 

Tim Noakes ‏@ProfTimNoakes7 Jun

Your real risk factors - blood glucose, insulin, weight, BP, inflammation - will have improved. Check LDL-particle size and number

 

I can echo this. He advised to check Ultrasensitive CRP (inflammation marker) and Uric Acid - both mine were well below limits. Particle size is a bit more difficult as the Pathology labs don't readily check that (yet), but an APO count showed again that all was within the normal spec.

 

It is going to take a long. long time for some doctors to change their views, considering they make their money off "treating" people by prescribing medicine and when things get too complex they simply refer you to someone who is a specialist (read charges even more money).

[RodTi]

Nothing that I see there would worry me - not in the least.

If your doc is still not happy with this, I would seriously consider changing doctors for at least a paleo-friendly doc.

Stop worrying - what is happening is what SHOULD be happening on LCHF !

 

I'll see what she has to say. She has a strong (and still active) academic background, so things might have changed. The wife mentioned to her that I was starting with LCHF last year, and she apparently didn't seem too enthusiastic. But plenty can happen in a year - so maybe she has some different thoughts now... It will be interesting, regardless...

 

Having looked at them side-by-side again - I'm feeling slightly better. [Which simply means my mind is beginning to choose the belief that I want to believe, and is already convincing myself to ignore any contrary indicators. Self-propagandisation. Beautiful.]

[Wet Ears]

@htone: Think I must try to attempt a similar experiment this weekend. I’m close to giving up; 12 days in on a very strict LCHF diet, no change in my weight. OK I do realise I’m 1.53m tall and only 5kg’s over, but still, would expected something at least (and I’m a woman, believe you guys have it much easier!)

 

Maybe I eat too much protein or dairy, maybe my portion sizes are too big, or could that 2 glasses of wine last weekend be the cause…I flippen don’t know anymore!

 

@Marge - I would echo what the others are saying i.e. stick with it and the results will start to show.

 

I am close to 2 months in and my intial results were confusing to say the least! In week 1 I lost over 3kgs, then over next 2 weeks I hit a plateau and even put on one or two kgs. I also recall that in week 2 my belt started getting tighter and I thought ok this thing does not work!

 

I am now 7 kgs down and hopefully improving. The weight loss (according to the scale) does not do justice to the cms lost around the waist. So as Htone says - you may be losing weight but putting on muscle - which I hope is the case with me doing CrossFit.

[htone]

I'll see what she has to say. She has a strong (and still active) academic background, so things might have changed. The wife mentioned to her that I was starting with LCHF last year, and she apparently didn't seem too enthusiastic. But plenty can happen in a year - so maybe she has some different thoughts now... It will be interesting, regardless...

 

Having looked at them side-by-side again - I'm feeling slightly better. [Which simply means my mind is beginning to choose the belief that I want to believe, and is already convincing myself to ignore any contrary indicators. Self-propagandisation. Beautiful.]

 

Last question - your age group ? Just more or less. Closest century will do.

 

Reason why I am asking is that more and more people are saying (Noakes too) that your TC SHOULD go up as you age. People with higher cholesterol live longer than those with low cholesterol - that has been proven by meticulous meta-analysis of years' of data.

[RodTi]

Last question - your age group ? Just more or less. Closest century will do.

 

Reason why I am asking is that more and more people are saying (Noakes too) that your TC SHOULD go up as you age. People with higher cholesterol live longer than those with low cholesterol - that has been proven by meticulous meta-analysis of years' of data.

 

Planning my mid-life crisis already!

[tombeej]

Maybe RodTi should book a visit with htone's cardiologist for a 2nd opinion, you folks are in the same general area...?

[htone]

I'll see what she has to say. She has a strong (and still active) academic background, so things might have changed. The wife mentioned to her that I was starting with LCHF last year, and she apparently didn't seem too enthusiastic. But plenty can happen in a year - so maybe she has some different thoughts now... It will be interesting, regardless...

 

 

Now that you have mentioned that your doctor is a she - if you haven't yet watched this, please do. I know I have posted this before, but I just love the piece (at around 07:15 into the video) where Dr Mary Vernon talks about people getting "shockingly well" on LCHF. This is still one of my fave LCHF videos to show the people who don't believe what it can do !

 

[HappyMartin]

Question about Omega 6 from fish oil. Supplements made from fish oil more specifically. Report out on Sky TV yesterday that it has been linked to a 73% increase in some types of prostate cancer and a 43% increase in all types of prostate cancer. Havnt found the supporting study being quoted. Actually have yet to search for it. Having a work crisis at the moment. Mention this as I know that Omega 6 supplementation is fairly popular and I think quite a few people on this thread are supplementing Omega 6.

 

Another study I did come across though seems to indicate that salt intake is unrelated to increased BP. Another myth apparently. I know my BP plummeted with weight loss. Apparently that is the key factor.

[htone]

Question about Omega 6 from fish oil. Supplements made from fish oil more specifically. Report out on Sky TV yesterday that it has been linked to a 73% increase in some types of prostate cancer and a 43% increase in all types of prostate cancer. Havnt found the supporting study being quoted. Actually have yet to search for it. Having a work crisis at the moment. Mention this as I know that Omega 6 supplementation is fairly popular and I think quite a few people on this thread are supplementing Omega 6.

 

Another study I did come across though seems to indicate that salt intake is unrelated to increased BP. Another myth apparently. I know my BP plummeted with weight loss. Apparently that is the key factor.

 

Martin, I read something similar about the Omega 3 (not 6) supplements from fish oil, but that was due to species of fish being contaminated with heavy metals that are being dumped into the oceans and then concentrate in the fish livers. This is why one should always buy a good quality Omega 3 supplement, made from fish that are fished in the deep sea - how one actually verifies that is beyond me, but I have stuck to Cardio-Zen as a primary source of that, with Pharma-Choice a close second. I wouldn't supplement ANY Omega 6, as there is plenty Omega 6 in just about everything we eat.

 

On the salt, it seems that high carb diets cause salt retention and when one takes in too much salt, it causes a rise in BP (but that would normally be linked to something like being overweight as well). Perhaps one of the guys with "The Art & Science..." on Kindle can paste the section from the book where Doc Phinney explains why you should supplement with salt on LCHF - he explains it rather eloquintly ?

 

edit: "on Kindle" added

Edited July 12, 2013 by htone

[tombeej]

Omega 3's are the good ones (come from fish, often supplements, etc).

 

Omega 6's are the bad ones (actually not bad in themselves, just that we get far too much of them in the western diet).

 

Omega 6:3 ratio should be almost 1:1. Our regular diets have it skewed way out... up to 20:1.

[tombeej]

Here's the research on omega 3 supplements 'doing more harm than good':

 

But take note of how the study was conducted: used on mice who are already on a high polyunsaturated omega 6 (vegetable oil) diet.

 

And the findings:

 

“Our hypothesis is that levels of omega 6 are so high in our bodies that any more unsaturated fatty acid — even omega 3, despite its health benefits — will actually contribute to the negative effects omega 6 PUFA have on the heart and gut,” said Ghosh. “When there is too much [polyunsaturated fatty acid], the body doesn’t know what to do with it.”

 

So the finding is more about the (already known) fact that high levels of polyunsaturated fats are bad for you. The only interesting thing for me here is that trying to supplement with omega 3's doesn't cancel out the obvious health hazards of omega 6 polyunsaturated vegetable oil.

[tombeej]

In other words, the findings are saying "Remove omega 6 polyunsaturated fats from your diet (or at least significantly reduce it) and don't think you can just count on taking omega 3 supplements to fix the problem, because it won't."

Edited July 12, 2013 by tombeej

[HappyMartin]

Thanks guys. You are correct of course. Got my Omegas muddled up. Meant 3 and not 6.

 

Makes sense what you say about way too high levels of Omega 6

[htone]

In other words, the findings are saying "Remove omega 6 polyunsaturated fats from your diet (or at least significantly reduce it) and don't think you can just count on taking omega 3 supplements to fix the problem, because it won't."

Now we're talking !

[krl747]

In other words, the findings are saying "Remove omega 6 polyunsaturated fats from your diet (or at least significantly reduce it) and don't think you can just count on taking omega 3 supplements to fix the problem, because it won't."

 

What are the main sources of Polyunsaturated Fats in a common diet?