LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[htone]

There is hope! The bottom corner was deep purple while the rest was between ++ and +++. Close enough.

Actually just + is good enough, these things were invented to measure keto-acidosis so if a diabetic measures anything above trace it is a danger sign. ++ is sehr gut.

[Roux 1]

Coffee and eggs: The thought of making this in front of my wife made me laugh... the butter is already to much...

 

This Sission guy tested it... recipe below...

 

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-egg-coffee/#axzz2bMI8PSH3

[flymango]

Actually just + is good enough, these things were invented to measure keto-acidosis so if a diabetic measures anything above trace it is a danger sign. ++ is sehr gut.

 

Not questioning your knowledge but seeking to confirm - really? I thought it measures ketosis, which, together with elevated BG levels, gives rise to keto-acidosis, i.e. it doesn't measure keto-acidosis but ketosis?

Edited August 8, 2013 by flymango

[htone]

@flymango - that is a very good question and people often get confused between ketosis and ketoacidosis.

 

Dietary ketosis, like what we are trying to achieve with LCHF, is perfectly safe. We are "forcing" our bodies to produce ketones by massively restricting carb intake. The excess ketones (that are not used for energy) are excreted via the breath and urine and THAT is what we measure with the stix.

 

In a Type 1 Diabetic, ketosis is extremely dangerous as the body's mechanism to regulate ketones is imparied, leading to massive build-up of ketones, which are acidic and results in ketoacidosis (but this is a distinctly different condition than being in dietary ketosis).

 

SO what I said in my post, is that the stix were invented as a quick and easy method for Type 1 Diabetics to measure ketones in their urine, because a Type 1 Diabetic does not want to be in ketosis at all - they cannot regulate that process. Hope this makes it a bit more clear - we measure the same thing (ketones in urine) but for completely different reasons.

 

Here's a little snippet from Wikipedia:

 

Ketoacidosis is a metabolic state associated with high concentrations of ketone bodies, formed by the breakdown of fatty acids and the deamination of amino acids. The two common ketones produced in humans are acetoacetic acid and b-hydroxybutyrate.

Ketoacidosis is a pathological metabolic state marked by extreme and uncontrolled ketosis. In ketoacidosis, the body fails to adequately regulate ketone production causing such a severe accumulation of keto acids that the pH of the blood is substantially decreased. In extreme cases ketoacidosis can be fatal.^[1]

Ketoacidosis is most common in untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus, when the liver breaks down fat and proteins in response to a perceived need for respiratory substrate. Prolonged alcoholism may lead to alcoholic ketoacidosis.

[htone]

Coffee and eggs: The thought of making this in front of my wife made me laugh... the butter is already to much...

 

This Sission guy tested it... recipe below...

 

http://www.marksdail.../#axzz2bMI8PSH3

 

No ways.... look, I know the fatshake is a lot to get used to, but somehow eggs in coffee just don't grate my carrot

[Slowbee]

Just to add, when this article was published, it changed the pricing of raw biltong meat forever!

 

Before this one could get the raw meat cheap cheap, under R50 a kilo. Now it is in the R100 plus a kilo. Although I must say it does seem to be tapering off as the fad wears out. I bought yesterday at R80 a kilo.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/home-how-to/diy-projects/make-your-own-biltong-dryer-in-an-afternoon/

[Helpmytrap]

Coffee and eggs: The thought of making this in front of my wife made me laugh... the butter is already to much...

 

This Sission guy tested it... recipe below...

 

http://www.marksdail.../#axzz2bMI8PSH3

No ways.... look, I know the fatshake is a lot to get used to, but somehow eggs in coffee just don't grate my carrot

I've been having it since he posted it about a week ago, daily. Since I have a 2 egg omelette every day, what I do now is throw one egg yolk into my 40/40g BP coffee and blend it. The egg white goes into my omelette "batter" making it a 2.5 egg omelette.

 

Honestly, you don't taste the yolk at all in the coffee. That being said, I have no issue swallowing a raw egg yolk either.

 

And yes, the family does look at me funny while I make it.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Helpmytrap

[Helpmytrap]

Just to add, when this article was published, it changed the pricing of raw biltong meat forever!

 

Before this one could get the raw meat cheap cheap, under R50 a kilo. Now it is in the R100 plus a kilo. Although I must say it does seem to be tapering off as the fad wears out. I bought yesterday at R80 a kilo.

 

http://www.popularme...n-an-afternoon/

Are you saying that people making their own biltong caused prices sky-rocket?

[Topwine]

 

Dietary ketosis, like what we are trying to achieve with LCHF, is perfectly safe.

 

I would not make such a broad statement. Dietary ketosis is a stressed state for the body. It has its uses for terapeutic purposes in metabolicly impaired people or people with possible cell respiratory problems, ie their mitochondria are not functioning properly. But, it stresses the body and causes the release of stress hormones which can have a whole range of negative consequences in the body. It is certainly not for healthy people, or definitely not long term in healthy people. In a ketogenic state you break down your own protein and fat to get the glucose your body need. The state of diatary ketosis and ketoacidoses differ only in the amount of keto acids in the blood, an order of magnitude of around 10. The same process is happening in the body, but in a normal person, not Type 1, the body will produce enough insulin to regulate the amount of ketoacids produced.

[Slowbee]

Are you saying that people making their own biltong caused prices sky-rocket?

 

anecdotal evidence, in 2010

 

Every single shop I went into looking for computer fans, said, "are you making that biltong box, because we are sold out of fans and we cannot order more in fast enough"

 

Every butcher I went to said "are you making your own biltong in that biltong box, because we are sold out and cannot keep up with preorders".

 

Then the price of the raw meat went up over the next few weeks, dramatically. This was all related to people making their own biltong. Nothing to do with micro/macro/mini/large economic global changes.

 

But lets not hijack.

[htone]

Not sure if any of you have read Gary Taubes' book "Why we get fat : And what to do about it" ? It is the follow-up to "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and well worth the read as it contains a lot more current research than his previous book. From "Why we get fat", here's an excerpt on ketosis - I hope it is big enough so you can read it:

 

[Topwine]

Not sure if any of you have read Gary Taubes' book "Why we get fat : And what to do about it" ? It is the follow-up to "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and well worth the read as it contains a lot more current research than his previous book. From "Why we get fat", here's an excerpt on ketosis - I hope it is big enough so you can read it:

 

 

Garu Teubes is a charlatan who is fat, not lean. He sells books and speaking appointments. He chooses to selectively use some data that might prove his point, but omits all the other data that proves otherwise.

 

Not all cancer are cured by ketogenic diets. That is enough proof that sugar and carbohydrates dont cause cancer.

 

Not all cases of epilepsy are cured by ketogenis diets. Ditto as above.

 

Not all cases of Type 2 diabetes or even obesity are cured by ketogenic diets. Ditto as above.

 

He has no data to prove that carbohydrates did not exist in the diet of man for 99.9 % of time.

He has no proof that man lived longer 100 years ago than now.

Man has bigger brains today than 10000 years ago.

The brain needs glucose.

Glucose oxidation is the most efficient form of metabolism.

Other research shows if you restrict glucose, you restrict brain development.

 

During the night when you sleep, the body produces stress hormones. It is not a state to stay in for ever !

 

But go ahead, believe Gary Teubes if you want and ignore all the other research out there. How many actually watched him during conferences and Q&A, especially against other speakers? He is one arrogant sob.

[Helpmytrap]

Lately I've noticed that my kidneys are somewhat sore (slight pain in my lower back.) By chance Mark Sisson posted a link on twitter yesterday which included a small piece regarding Kale and Oxalates which had a link to a blog entry he did in Dec, I thing the 17th. It covered week long fasting, ways to prevent soreness after strength workouts, denaturing protein as well as high oxalate levels in certain foods.

 

In the link it said that high levels of oxalate in the blood can cause pain and kidney stones to form. So it said that to avoid this one should just eat more cooked veg than raw (everybody absorbs different amounts.) Since he referred to Kale in his original link, do you think that I might be experiencing this pain from the amount of raw spinach, well actually Swiss chard that I eat?

[htone]

Lately I've noticed that my kidneys are somewhat sore (slight pain in my lower back.) By chance Mark Sisson posted a link on twitter yesterday which included a small piece regarding Kale and Oxalates which had a link to a blog entry he did in Dec, I thing the 17th. It covered week long fasting, ways to prevent soreness after strength workouts, denaturing protein as well as high oxalate levels in certain foods.

 

In the link it said that high levels of oxalate in the blood can cause pain and kidney stones to form. So it said that to avoid this one should just eat more cooked veg than raw (everybody absorbs different amounts.) Since he referred to Kale in his original link, do you think that I might be experiencing this pain from the amount of raw spinach, well actually Swiss chard that I eat?

 

One way to find out would be to eliminate it from your diet (or cook it) for a few days and see if that makes a difference ?

How much of the stuff do you eat, as we go through a bunch or two ourselves per week and neither my wife or I have had anything resembling what you describe ?

 

Another question would be - do you supplement enough salt & magnesium and do you drink enough water. When you review the detox process that your body goes through on LCHF you will discover that the kidneys are actually working harder than normal (initially) to get red of all the carb-related gunk in our bodies !

[htone]

Came across this LCHF site : http://www.lowcarbshighfat.com/

 

Although there's a commercial element to it, they have some really nice LCHF recipes for all sorts of meals on there.

Just in case you wondered what to eat over the long weekend !

[Helpmytrap]

One way to find out would be to eliminate it from your diet (or cook it) for a few days and see if that makes a difference ?

How much of the stuff do you eat, as we go through a bunch or two ourselves per week and neither my wife or I have had anything resembling what you describe ?

 

Another question would be - do you supplement enough salt & magnesium and do you drink enough water. When you review the detox process that your body goes through on LCHF you will discover that the kidneys are actually working harder than normal (initially) to get red of all the carb-related gunk in our bodies !

Now that I think about it, only 60g a day. Admittedly water has been on the low side for the past couple of days. As of this week I've started upping my salt but I haven't had much Magnesium for the last week because I ran out of but started again with it yesterday.