Calling on you gamers

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I have never understood fanboyism. But then I am very old skool. We buy whatever gives the best price to performance. Fanboyism must be a Millenial thing. 

 

I can understand the price difference between the 6900XT and the 3090 though. The 3090 has 4GB more memory and it is the better more expensive memory. If it is $500 worth, I don't know.

 

And here is the thing; the 3090 was never targeted for gamers. I have no clue why gamers will want to buy a 3090. If they want better than 3080 performance then the 6900XT would be a better buy. On the other hand, if you really want team green, I would wait for the 3080Ti, which will have 20GB of GDDR6x memory.

Yeah, the 4GB extra VRam is a handy thing, though I'm not sure it translates into real world performance benefits when it comes up against AMD's "infinity cache" and other technological advancements. I'll wait for Tech Jesus to do his productivity benchmarks and deep dive before making that call.... He's also an MTBer, so he can stay. Also, the 6900 has a boost clock of 500MHz higher!!! That's HUGE. 

 

Oh. 3090 is the new 2080Ti. It's their top end enthusiast card. The people claiming it's a Titan are misinformed, and sadly that's been highlighted in the tech review space, too. "Titan Class Performance" is just marketing speak. It's not a Titan. It's still a GeForce card. It still runs GeForce drivers. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

[The Bull Shark]

Yeah, the 4GB extra VRam is a handy thing, though I'm not sure it translates into real world performance benefits when it comes up against AMD's "infinity cache" and other technological advancements. I'll wait for Tech Jesus to do his productivity benchmarks and deep dive before making that call.... He's also an MTBer, so he can stay. 

 

Yes. Talking of Tech Jesus, my Gamers Nexus mouse pad arrived in the CT post office hub yesterday. Hopefully I will have it before Christmas.

 

BTW, I saw his DH run bitching and moaning about people bitching and moaning.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Moridin

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Yes. Talking of Tech Jesus, my Gamers Nexus mouse pad arrived in the CT post office hub yesterday. Hopefully I will have it before Christmas.

 

BTW, I saw his DH run bitching and moaning about people bitching and moaning.

OOOOOOOH!!!! 

 

And yeah, lol. I think he was bitching and moaning more about the fact that he felt obligated to do a video while he was supposed to be having a break. 

[Rocket-Boy]

The higher memory numbers on newer cards is just for handling higher resolutions.

If you game at 1080p then its not as much of a big deal.

 

Heck Im still on an RX580 GPU and it still merrily handles anything I throw at it.

[The Bull Shark]

I am running at 1440P and the 1080Ti is more than good enough for that when I play Elite Dangerous or World Of Tanks.

[bmw1za]

nice options on toys ..lol

 

I have about 8 to 10k for a pc for my son for those guys upgrading , please message or beep me on 082 926 6045 ... Thanks 

[Rouxenator]

The AMD GPU release announcement from Lisa Su was last night.

All I want is the new Ryzen 7 APU....

 

In the meanwhile

 

[Fruity]

Oh yes please!

 

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/11/kalypso_is_releasing_a_commandos_2_hd_remaster_on_nintendo_switch_next_month

[bmw1za]

hey guys, project moving slowly... son's PC 

 

got the 5600 cpu, 570 board, M.2 drive... budget blown (lol) , new versus 2nd hand pricing is drastic 

 

Any 2060 cards or similar available please?

[marko35s]

Oh yes please!

 

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/11/kalypso_is_releasing_a_commandos_2_hd_remaster_on_nintendo_switch_next_month

I spent a ridiculous amount of time on that game many years back

[Fruity]

I spent a ridiculous amount of time on that game many years back

Yeh I jammed the first one back in the day but missed out on the 2nd one

[The Bull Shark]

hey guys, project moving slowly... son's PC 

 

got the 5600 cpu, 570 board, M.2 drive... budget blown (lol) , new versus 2nd hand pricing is drastic 

 

Any 2060 cards or similar available please?

 

See if you can find a second-hand 1080Ti. Any of the 20 series cards are not worth it as they were horribly overpriced for what they offered. 

[The Ghost]

It arrived bang on time

[popcorn_skollie]

hey guys, project moving slowly... son's PC 

 

got the 5600 cpu, 570 board, M.2 drive... budget blown (lol) , new versus 2nd hand pricing is drastic 

 

Any 2060 cards or similar available please?

 

Here's my advice. Wait.

 

The first thing to keep in mind is that we're at a very interesting time in tech. As Myles pointed out AMD really has come along and dished out a 'grade A ass-woopin'. They really, really have. Ryzen spent the last 5 years maturing from an excellent value alternative from its first generation. To hands down being the best in both price and performance with their latest 5000 series lineup. 

 

To add even more feathers to AMD's hat. They announced a new lineup of GPU's that compete with Nvidia's latest offering's tier for tier, AND at better prices. I can't remember the last time this happened. Now bare in mind that at this point and time, all we have is what AMD claims. And we will have to wait to see how true their claims really are. But they haven't claimed anything this outrageous before. And what ever degree of disappointment may ensue as a result of an Nvidia win in terms of overall performance. I can pretty much guarantee that they will still present better value. AMD didn't claim to beat Nvidia in performance. They claimed they can compete. Even with Nvidia's flagship. And they intend doing so at 2 thirds of the price. Even if they achieve 80% of Nvidia's performance on average. To do so at 66% of the price makes it a winner. But I have a feeling that they will be within spitting distance of Nvidia's card performance figures and probably beat them in some AMD optimized games too.

 

There are reasons to consider gpu options from both sides. But you really want to wait until both Nvidia and AMD release the rest of their offerings. Here's why. 

 

Both Nvidia and AMD's latest gpu's will offer decent ray tracing performance (and support it at a hardware level) Nvidia's cards will probably deliver better ray tracing performance in most games. They didn't invent ray tracing. But they're certainly ahead of the curve here. And this isn't something that's a fad like physx. Ray tracing is here to stay and it will be a big part of future gpu and game development moving forward.

 

AMD's latest gpu's (6000 series) are the first generation of cards from team red to support it. Where as Nvidia's latest gpu's (3000 series) are the second generation of cards to support it. Although the previous gen cards didn't do it nearly as well as the new ones. Its part of why what Moridin said is so true. Nvidia's Turing cards were the first to push RT. It was brand new tech at the time. That's why they were so expensive. And when you compare the performance to price ratio of the new generation vs the old. Nvidia's 2000 series cards don't seem like the best value for money.

 

However. They're still ray tracing cards. And if you want that (which you really should) you only have 3 options. Either a new 6000 series AMD card. A new 3000 series Nvidia card. Or an older 2000 series Nvidia card. But skollie. Why is ray tracing so important?

 

https://youtu.be/RsX1JybbOmU

 

What you have to understand is the functional reason as to why ray tracing matters. It changes how we are able to play games quite significantly. Its not exactly new. And games have done some pretty astounding things with regards to lights, shadows and reflections without it. The difference is ray tracings ability to 'trace' light sources outside of that which is being rendered on your screen in real time. So lets say there's a puddle of water in a shooter game you're playing. If an enemy is in a position in game where you can't see him (or not rendered on your screen) A light sources outside of your field of view could allow ray tracing to cast his reflection in said puddle of water. Giving you better intel on his position. Without having to physically see said enemy actually being rendered in on your screen. If that makes sense. This is quite a significant advantage to have. Some games still look pretty amazing even without ray tracing. But once you see side by side comparisons you start understanding why its a big deal. Its not just eye candy. Its delivering way more onscreen visual information about what's going on around you in a game. Which is more consistent with how we view things with our naked eye.

 

Remember. The cards announced so far are all top tier offerings. 4k cards. Both sides have the rest of their lineups waiting to be released. Once that happens. And we're at a point where shelves are stocked with all the shiny new cards to choose from. (the next couple of weeks are gonna be interesting. We can compare prices and performance based on reviewers and not just what manufacturers claim. We'll be in a much better position to make a decision as consumers. The knock on effect these new offerings also means that older cards still left on retailer shelves will drop in price. It also means the used market will be more competitive. Wait. Just wait. 

[popcorn_skollie]

There's another thing worth considering here. Its too early to tell if its a gimmick or not. Or whether the minor performance gains could be negated by an overall raw performance benefit when going with Nvidia.

 

Its called 'smart access memory' and AMD claims to improve performance in games by up to 11% if you pair a Ryzen 5000 series chip (on an x570 or b550 platform) with a Radeon 6000 series gpu. 

This is definitely a first. 

 

 

Bare in mind that all we have right now is what they told us to expect. I'm willing to bet that these results are from cherry picked titles that favour them and that the cpu and gpu samples tested are probably the best binned versions the product stack. They probably also tested this several times till they got results they were happy enough to show off. Still. If any of this is even remotely true. The 6800xt is still $50 cheaper that Nvidia's 3080. It also has double the ram. Its really hard to decide right now. And these top tier cards are way out of my budget. I'll wait until both teams drop the rest of their lineups. Check reviews. Look at benches. Weigh the price to performance. And take it from there.

[The Bull Shark]

Skollie

 

I am stuck though since I have a G-Sync monitor, so I basically am locked into NVidia. And the prices for video cards in SA is ridiculous at the moment.

 

If he can wait, wait. Or just get an old 9 or 10 series card just to get the PC working while he wait for the madness to settle. Even the 1060Ti was not a bad card just to get along. You should be able to get those second hand for around R1000 - R1500.