Calling on you gamers

[Fruity]

I spent a ridiculous amount of time on that game many years back

Yeh I jammed the first one back in the day but missed out on the 2nd one

[dev null]

hey guys, project moving slowly... son's PC 

 

got the 5600 cpu, 570 board, M.2 drive... budget blown (lol) , new versus 2nd hand pricing is drastic 

 

Any 2060 cards or similar available please?

 

See if you can find a second-hand 1080Ti. Any of the 20 series cards are not worth it as they were horribly overpriced for what they offered. 

[The Ghost]

It arrived bang on time

[popcorn_skollie]

hey guys, project moving slowly... son's PC 

 

got the 5600 cpu, 570 board, M.2 drive... budget blown (lol) , new versus 2nd hand pricing is drastic 

 

Any 2060 cards or similar available please?

 

Here's my advice. Wait.

 

The first thing to keep in mind is that we're at a very interesting time in tech. As Myles pointed out AMD really has come along and dished out a 'grade A ass-woopin'. They really, really have. Ryzen spent the last 5 years maturing from an excellent value alternative from its first generation. To hands down being the best in both price and performance with their latest 5000 series lineup. 

 

To add even more feathers to AMD's hat. They announced a new lineup of GPU's that compete with Nvidia's latest offering's tier for tier, AND at better prices. I can't remember the last time this happened. Now bare in mind that at this point and time, all we have is what AMD claims. And we will have to wait to see how true their claims really are. But they haven't claimed anything this outrageous before. And what ever degree of disappointment may ensue as a result of an Nvidia win in terms of overall performance. I can pretty much guarantee that they will still present better value. AMD didn't claim to beat Nvidia in performance. They claimed they can compete. Even with Nvidia's flagship. And they intend doing so at 2 thirds of the price. Even if they achieve 80% of Nvidia's performance on average. To do so at 66% of the price makes it a winner. But I have a feeling that they will be within spitting distance of Nvidia's card performance figures and probably beat them in some AMD optimized games too.

 

There are reasons to consider gpu options from both sides. But you really want to wait until both Nvidia and AMD release the rest of their offerings. Here's why. 

 

Both Nvidia and AMD's latest gpu's will offer decent ray tracing performance (and support it at a hardware level) Nvidia's cards will probably deliver better ray tracing performance in most games. They didn't invent ray tracing. But they're certainly ahead of the curve here. And this isn't something that's a fad like physx. Ray tracing is here to stay and it will be a big part of future gpu and game development moving forward.

 

AMD's latest gpu's (6000 series) are the first generation of cards from team red to support it. Where as Nvidia's latest gpu's (3000 series) are the second generation of cards to support it. Although the previous gen cards didn't do it nearly as well as the new ones. Its part of why what Moridin said is so true. Nvidia's Turing cards were the first to push RT. It was brand new tech at the time. That's why they were so expensive. And when you compare the performance to price ratio of the new generation vs the old. Nvidia's 2000 series cards don't seem like the best value for money.

 

However. They're still ray tracing cards. And if you want that (which you really should) you only have 3 options. Either a new 6000 series AMD card. A new 3000 series Nvidia card. Or an older 2000 series Nvidia card. But skollie. Why is ray tracing so important?

 

https://youtu.be/RsX1JybbOmU

 

What you have to understand is the functional reason as to why ray tracing matters. It changes how we are able to play games quite significantly. Its not exactly new. And games have done some pretty astounding things with regards to lights, shadows and reflections without it. The difference is ray tracings ability to 'trace' light sources outside of that which is being rendered on your screen in real time. So lets say there's a puddle of water in a shooter game you're playing. If an enemy is in a position in game where you can't see him (or not rendered on your screen) A light sources outside of your field of view could allow ray tracing to cast his reflection in said puddle of water. Giving you better intel on his position. Without having to physically see said enemy actually being rendered in on your screen. If that makes sense. This is quite a significant advantage to have. Some games still look pretty amazing even without ray tracing. But once you see side by side comparisons you start understanding why its a big deal. Its not just eye candy. Its delivering way more onscreen visual information about what's going on around you in a game. Which is more consistent with how we view things with our naked eye.

 

Remember. The cards announced so far are all top tier offerings. 4k cards. Both sides have the rest of their lineups waiting to be released. Once that happens. And we're at a point where shelves are stocked with all the shiny new cards to choose from. (the next couple of weeks are gonna be interesting. We can compare prices and performance based on reviewers and not just what manufacturers claim. We'll be in a much better position to make a decision as consumers. The knock on effect these new offerings also means that older cards still left on retailer shelves will drop in price. It also means the used market will be more competitive. Wait. Just wait. 

[popcorn_skollie]

There's another thing worth considering here. Its too early to tell if its a gimmick or not. Or whether the minor performance gains could be negated by an overall raw performance benefit when going with Nvidia.

 

Its called 'smart access memory' and AMD claims to improve performance in games by up to 11% if you pair a Ryzen 5000 series chip (on an x570 or b550 platform) with a Radeon 6000 series gpu. 

This is definitely a first. 

 

 

Bare in mind that all we have right now is what they told us to expect. I'm willing to bet that these results are from cherry picked titles that favour them and that the cpu and gpu samples tested are probably the best binned versions the product stack. They probably also tested this several times till they got results they were happy enough to show off. Still. If any of this is even remotely true. The 6800xt is still $50 cheaper that Nvidia's 3080. It also has double the ram. Its really hard to decide right now. And these top tier cards are way out of my budget. I'll wait until both teams drop the rest of their lineups. Check reviews. Look at benches. Weigh the price to performance. And take it from there.

[dev null]

Skollie

 

I am stuck though since I have a G-Sync monitor, so I basically am locked into NVidia. And the prices for video cards in SA is ridiculous at the moment.

 

If he can wait, wait. Or just get an old 9 or 10 series card just to get the PC working while he wait for the madness to settle. Even the 1060Ti was not a bad card just to get along. You should be able to get those second hand for around R1000 - R1500.

[Mojoman]

There is occasional good deal on second hand cards on Bid or Buy....

[Fruity]

Been seeing in a few groups on FB, quite a few peeps showing off their newly acquired Xbox Series X's, and a few peeps showing their Xbox Series S's. Heck I'd still be content with an Xbox One S to go with my Switch, but kudos to them.

[bmw1za]

Thanks guys... have considered all of the above, power supply delivered yesterday so almost done, we also Follow Linus, Jay and Gamers nexus (LOL) ... 

 

we will probably try to find a good enough for GPU to carry him over as he hasn't gotten a monitor to fully support next gen Cards anyway 

 

But i keep bragging you guys will drop something when you upgrade (LOL)

[popcorn_skollie]

Skollie

 

I am stuck though since I have a G-Sync monitor, so I basically am locked into NVidia. And the prices for video cards in SA is ridiculous at the moment.

 

If he can wait, wait. Or just get an old 9 or 10 series card just to get the PC working while he wait for the madness to settle. Even the 1060Ti was not a bad card just to get along. You should be able to get those second hand for around R1000 - R1500.

 

Same boat. I will need a new monitor either way. Nearly pulled the trigger on a 3070.

Then went digging through used market for 2080s. I was confident I could get something decent for my Vega to help with the cost. But I was mostly just impatient. Common sense however prevailed.

I'm not saying I wouldn't buy a 3070. Just not yet. Not until I see the rest. This ram thing got me thinking too. Why did nvidia opt for 8 and 10gb on the 3070 and 3080? Are they releasing super or TI variants with more ram later? Will AMD make trimmed down non xt variants with less ram or gated bios? And the answers are probably yes. It just makes far more sense for me to just wait and keep an eye on basically everything. I'd love a 3070 or a 2080ti. But even there my aspirations are stretching beyond my budget. Your 1080ti comfortably mops the floor with my Vega. You could even run software based ray tracing supported titles comfortably without breaking a sweat. But I'm falling behind the curve quicker than you are. And its probably why I'm so hell bent on all this new stuff.

 

Thanks guys... have considered all of the above, power supply delivered yesterday so almost done, we also Follow Linus, Jay and Gamers nexus (LOL) ... 

 

we will probably try to find a good enough for GPU to carry him over as he hasn't gotten a monitor to fully support next gen Cards anyway 

 

But i keep bragging you guys will drop something when you upgrade (LOL)

 

If you really don't have anything at all to use in the meantime. Buy used. Spend some time scavenging on carb for something decent you could resell (or keep as spare later) If you were considering a 2060, the 1660ti Moridin mentioned is cheaper and not far off in terms of performance. No RT cores though. But that's a moot point right now. Its worth noting that Nvidia cards generally seem to hold a higher resale value than AMD cards. At least right now anyways. My daughter has a 1660ti. She plays everything pretty much maxed out without any problems. 

 

 

A 1660ti and 9400f running warzone maxed out at 1080p at over 100fps easy. You'll do even better with your platform.

[bmw1za]

Same boat. I will need a new monitor either way. Nearly pulled the trigger on a 3070.

Then went digging through used market for 2080s. I was confident I could get something decent for my Vega to help with the cost. But I was mostly just impatient. Common sense however prevailed.

I'm not saying I wouldn't buy a 3070. Just not yet. Not until I see the rest. This ram thing got me thinking too. Why did nvidia opt for 8 and 10gb on the 3070 and 3080? Are they releasing super or TI variants with more ram later? Will AMD make trimmed down non xt variants with less ram or gated bios? And the answers are probably yes. It just makes far more sense for me to just wait and keep an eye on basically everything. I'd love a 3070 or a 2080ti. But even there my aspirations are stretching beyond my budget. Your 1080ti comfortably mops the floor with my Vega. You could even run software based ray tracing supported titles comfortably without breaking a sweat. But I'm falling behind the curve quicker than you are. And its probably why I'm so hell bent on all this new stuff.

 

 

If you really don't have anything at all to use in the meantime. Buy used. Spend some time scavenging on carb for something decent you could resell (or keep as spare later) If you were considering a 2060, the 1660ti Moridin mentioned is cheaper and not far off in terms of performance. No RT cores though. But that's a moot point right now. Its worth noting that Nvidia cards generally seem to hold a higher resale value than AMD cards. At least right now anyways. My daughter has a 1660ti. She plays everything pretty much maxed out without any problems. 

 

 

A 1660ti and 9400f running warzone maxed out at 1080p at over 100fps easy. You'll do even better with your platform.

Noted, Valid points ... huge respect for 1080 

[dev null]

Yes, I will probably be waiting for the 3080 Ti, which I think will have 20GB of GDDR6x memory.

 

But then again, I only play Elite Dangerous and World Of Tanks. None of these high profile FPS games. My 54 year old eyes can't take the punishment from those games anymore.

[bmw1za]

Yes, I will probably be waiting for the 3080 Ti, which I think will have 20GB of GDDR6x memory.

 

But then again, I only play Elite Dangerous and World Of Tanks. None of these high profile FPS games. My 54 year old eyes can't take the punishment from those games anymore.

, I know right ... lmao

[popcorn_skollie]

https://youtu.be/NBmm_QlKTgw

 

For some perspective on just how powerful the 3080 is. Battlefield 3. Circa 2011. On a 9900k and a 3080 running at around 80fps in 8k. You can sort of pick up occasional subtleties where it shows. But for the most part it. This game aged really well. Hard to believe its nearly a decade old. 

 

Which older titles would you like to see run on a new machine? 

[Fruity]

[emoji1787]

[WrightJnr]

On a local FB page here in Dubai. A bloke was closing down his BitCoin Mining Setup. He was advertising 3000 Gigabyte 1080 Cards.... Man, I don’t know exactly what his involvement was but damn that’s a hell of a lot of cards!!