Best timing company

[Jules]

This is a straightforward poll. Let's see what hubbers say.

[controlc]

Can I vote AGAINST winningtime?

[Prince]

Looking like a straight forward result as well!

[Azonic]

Never had allot of time for WinningTime. I might be wrong, but didn't Mr. David Bellairs start off with WinningTime before moving into the big leagues? Again, might be wrong but wouldn't be supprised if WinningTime were given the contracts to do the big races in the country because of his connections with the organisers, etc.

 

 

Azonic2008-02-04 05:20:09

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

my polar is normally spot on.

 

 

 

We only know how WT work, C/C is a no-no in WC cycling.

 

 

 

The runners use CC down here, but we can only compare WT to or Polars and Garminspopeye2008-02-04 05:23:37

[controlc]

my polar is normally spot on.

 

Mine also!

 

But my problem is: how do I get seeded if the @#$ keep on deleting my results if I complain about their crappy service?

[butafly]

don't need any company to time me. i push the start button on my polar when we start and the stop button when we finish. and i don't bother to check my results at PPA.  

[Jules]

Never had allot of time for WinningTime. I might be wrong' date=' but didn't Mr. David Bellairs start off with WinningTime before moving into the big leagues? Again, might be wrong but wouldn't be supprised if WinningTime were given the contracts to do the big races in the country because of his connections with the organisers, etc.

 

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This is a copy and paste from what I wrote in a previous thread. There are some corporate governance issues here.

 

 

 

Is it common knowledge that the PPA vice chairman is also a director of WT?

 

 

 

I disocvered this by performing a director search for Winning Time (Race Administration Systems WTSA Pty Ltd). It is not immediately apparent on the WT website.

 

 

 

It seems that WT is appointed as time-keeper for all PPA races, including the Argus, 94,7, Ride for Sight, Herald etc. Is there an unbiased process to select the timekeeper for these races? After all, the PPA is, as far as I'm aware, a non-profit entity incorporated to "promote cycling and the interests of cyclists."

 

 

 

Surely securing a decent timekeeper is "in the interests of cyclists"?

 

 

 

And then this from the PPA constitution (garnered off its website):

 

 

 

"All Committee members shall annually and not later than the first meeting after their election to office in any year, in writing, declare any commercial or other conflicts of interests which they may have with the Association, in such form as the Committee, from time to time, may stipulate. Nothing herein contained shall preclude anyone from being a member of the Committee, notwithstanding that he or she may have conflicts of interest with the Association, provided that the person concerned declares such conflicts and the Committee is nonetheless satisfied that the Association is not substantially prejudiced thereby and provided further that the member concerned shall recuse himself/herself from all voting in regard to all issues in which he or she may have a conflict of interests."

 

 

 

And this from the PPA AGM 2004 (also off the website):

 

 

 

"TIMING

 

As mentioned above, David Clarke left the committee to head up a new company providing timing services to the Cycle Tour and other events.

 

 

 

After careful consideration of all of the alternatives, it was decided that the Association would enter into a timing contract with the new Winning Time SA company. We have outlined strict deliverables and are in the process of finalising the contractual relationships on an arms length basis, but are confident of the ability for this company to deliver the necessary service demanded by our members and us."

 

 

 

Oh well I'm relieved that the conflicts are declared, the necessary recusals are made and that everything is done at an arm's length basis. I was worried there for a second.

 

 

[Gman1834]

I do prefer Championchip because of the speed that the results are displayed, but I like the format of the results on the Winningtime website. I never had a problem with WT so I don?t know how they handle quires, I do know that CC is super in handling problems.

[Spinnekop]

Championchip lets me do a search where I can get my whole clubs results with just one click. 

Winning time I have to ask individuals to send me a mail.

 

Pa.  Tie.  Ties.

[The Saint]

Agree with Spinnekop. CC is great in that you can compare your results to the rest of your club with uno mouse clicky.

[Bateleur1]

It is one horse race for me.  CC.  Have had many experiences with WT where the races just did not have results, or it took forever to come available on the net.  Then there is the fiasco at the Kremetart 3 years ago that really burnt the WT reputation on my side of the fence.

[2 X 2]

I must agree, CC is by far the best and most user friendly of the timing companies

 

What I like about Spectrum sport is the fact that you don't need a chip, as the chip is built into your number, which you return when finished

 

Another interesting thing about WT is that a race will not become a Argus seeding race as long as it makes use of CC.  Must be those interests that certain high profile cycling administrators have in WT

 

[Jules]

So given the overwhelmingly biased response in favour of CC, I believe the question should be asked:

 

 

 

Are we as cyclists being held hostage by a supposedly non-profit entity (PPA) to support a for-profit entity (WT) with which it has links?

 

 

 

Can anyone enlighten me what WT charges PPA to time its races? Let's compare that cost to similar-sized races timed by CC. This information should be in the public domain.

 

 

 

 

[Spinnekop]

Jy poep in die wind Jules.

 

The powers to be has spoken..........WT het 'n voet in die deur en jy gaan hom nie uitkry nie. 

It's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know, hey Nige?

[KlapperKnop]

CC is very efficient in posting results ... I do believe that the market is bug big enough for both players; however WT must stop being bias towards Capies ... see how the seeding works for Argus; it benefits the Capies.

 

Reason for my statement: If you consider that most PRO, if not all, race up here in JHB; that means the JHB people competes with the PRO on a weekly basis and most of the races are timed by CC. In CPT the average person race against the TOP WP cyclist; hence he is closer in seeding than the JHB guys ... The races that qualifies for Argus seeding in JHB; the JHB guys race against the PRO's time; thereby always getting a bad seeding ...

KlapperKnop2008-02-04 07:09:59