Geax Saguaro Tyre, will not go on the rim

[NotSoBigBen]

I cannot believe that Routjie has not covered the most important bit.

 

After you have added the sealant and are popping the tyre properly onto the rim, DO NOT, under any circumstances, do it indoors and NEVER give it one last stroke with your foot pump just for luck.

 

The resulting noise will scare your gun dog and the mess against the curtains and ceiling will ensure you join him in the dog-box for a week.

 

Or even think about holding the wheel between your legs

 

been there done that had the bruised inner thighs to prove it

[MuddyMike]

I would rather bath a cat than try to fit a geax to a ZTR rim........

[tunariaan]

battling to get them on, wait till you have to gt them off in a race to get a tube in..

Ek het my gat afgesukkel op tankwa en dit nog sonder tyre leavers..

Dit is egter great tyres

Hulle en maxxis icon is die kanniedood van tyres

[rouxtjie]

I cannot believe that Routjie has not covered the most important bit.

 

After you have added the sealant and are popping the tyre properly onto the rim, DO NOT, under any circumstances, do it indoors and NEVER give it one last stroke with your foot pump just for luck.

 

The resulting noise will scare your gun dog and the mess against the curtains and ceiling will ensure you join him in the dog-box for a week.

meneer. spot on....2.5 bar. Dont tempt fate.

 

Funny story....when I first started doing my tubeless conversions I believed in tighter is better. Now before you get funny ideas, I am referring to the nut that pulls the valve and keep it in place on the rim. I would sit there with a tang, trying to tighten this thing to an inch of its life. I obviously also have the little stan's injector thing and was now trying to get stans through the valve into the tyre. So poured stans in, but it just sits there in the syringe, it doesnt flow down into the tyre like it normally does...So bright spark rouxtjie assumes there must be some kind of blockage at the tip and as with most things in life, a little force should do the trick...plan = plunge the kuk out of that stans and FORCE it into the tyre.

 

Meantime, what has happened is that I have tightened the nut so tight that it has actually pinched the rubber nipple thing close, so there aint going any stans into that tyre.

 

Long story short, force applied....syringe disconnects from aquarium tubing and under pressure means stans EVERYWHERE...worst of all was my spaniel which was drenched in it....we had to shave poor fergie to get the stuff off cause it makes knots.

 

Needless to say, was in the dogbox with fergie that night. You live, you learn

[sawystertrance]

OK, Confession time....

I caved this morning after trying all options. I decided that, with a rear wheel still to go, I need to know what I am doing wrong so I took the damned thing in to LBS and wanted to get a blow-by-blow explanation of what was wrong. Trouble is I got there too early and have left the wheel with them. I will ring them later and post here what a chop I am.

Thanks so much to all who posted. It's been a great ride.

[scotty]

I cannot believe that Routjie has not covered the most important bit.

 

After you have added the sealant and are popping the tyre properly onto the rim, DO NOT, under any circumstances, do it indoors and NEVER give it one last stroke with your foot pump just for luck.

 

The resulting noise will scare your gun dog and the mess against the curtains and ceiling will ensure you join him in the dog-box for a week.

To add don't pump it to max and leave in sun, been there done that and can vouch its not a pretty sight.

[sawystertrance]

OK, Time for the red face. Took the wheel to LBS and rang them 30 mins ago to get detailed breakdown of what was needed to get my tyre to inflate. "We put seal;ant into it and used the compressor", they said. I need to find out how they attached the nozzle and if they had any other Mcgyver tricks that I don't know of. Other than that, I'm mystified.

[rouxtjie]

OK, Time for the red face. Took the wheel to LBS and rang them 30 mins ago to get detailed breakdown of what was needed to get my tyre to inflate. "We put seal;ant into it and used the compressor", they said. I need to find out how they attached the nozzle and if they had any other Mcgyver tricks that I don't know of. Other than that, I'm mystified.

probably not meneer. Remember the compressors they use are heavy duty(not the cheapy road side ones we use) and can deliver LOTS of air very quick. That is what you need to get a seal going. Try your friendly BP next time...bit of admin but satisfying when you hear the tyre bead.

[sawystertrance]

probably not meneer. Remember the compressors they use are heavy duty(not the cheapy road side ones we use) and can deliver LOTS of air very quick. That is what you need to get a seal going. Try your friendly BP next time...bit of admin but satisfying when you hear the tyre bead.

Rouxtjie, I did try my local Caltex but with no luck. I did have the core in the valve, though, and the wheel was upright. Going to try with number 2 tonight...

Get ready for the replay.. haha

Btw, look forward to buying you a cold one when you're next in CT

[rouxtjie]

Rouxtjie, I did try my local Caltex but with no luck. I did have the core in the valve, though, and the wheel was upright. Going to try with number 2 tonight...

Get ready for the replay.. haha

Btw, look forward to buying you a cold one when you're next in CT

Cool take you soapy mixture in a squeezy bottle...some lappe...tyre...wheel...sealant...pliers...footpump.

 

The key here is to get as much air in there as quickly as possible. So take the core out...the garage pump will fit loosly over it, apply loads of soapy water, pull bead apart(to edge of rim right around) and gooi air....bubbles will show the biggest leaks...pull the bead of tyre apart at these spots....plop plop...tyre seated.

 

[Flowta]

Rouxtjie, I did try my local Caltex but with no luck. I did have the core in the valve, though, and the wheel was upright. Going to try with number 2 tonight...

Get ready for the replay.. haha

Btw, look forward to buying you a cold one when you're next in CT

 

I've noticed that some garages air systems are k@k.

 

There are 3 garages within 500m of my work. The BP works everytime, the Engen on the other hand is dismal

[Dirtracker]

Meneer...its a must. It allows alot of air to go into the tyre...exactly what you need. Skip the bake in the sun if you havent tried the valve core thing.

 

With that...remember, with the valve core out, lots of air will come into the tyre...so you wont have a seal and then suddenly you will, once the tyre gets to about 2.5 bar...remove compressor nozzle and put your finger over the valve...you need to be quick needless to say. All that this does is do a stretch of the tyre by getting the bead as close to its final position as possible.

 

Now magic sauce no 2....let little bits of air out at a time with your finger...this will keep that bead close to where it should be instead of shrivling up if you let all the air out at once because of packaging memory. Fill tyre with 2 syringes of stans..be carefull ito no upsetting the tyre's position...you dont want to touch the tyre in all honesty.

 

Then gooi compressor again and it will bead in an instant cause you didnt fiddle with it position and in the process loose no stans on the floor. Now put your finger over the valve again at about 2.5 bar...but this time, you put the core back in...need quick fingers again.

 

Pump up with footpump after core is in and shake wheelto distribute stans...done

 

If you take them straight out the packaging they will be kinked and they must lie in the sun to get the kinks out. I only use the Sanuaro tyres and fitting them becomes an art. First time I really battled. 3rd and 4th time no problem. As they are bullet proof and last, I only go through this ritual a week before Sani each year.

 

PS. Buy a connector so the garage pump fits onto the wheel valve like a glove. Must have!!

[NotSoBigBen]

I've noticed that some garages air systems are k@k.

 

There are 3 garages within 500m of my work. The BP works everytime, the Engen on the other hand is dismal

 

Have also been asked by a garage owner not to come do THAT here again ..... could be due to the mess we made with sealant, Was in the early days!

[rouxtjie]

If you take them straight out the packaging they will be kinked and they must lie in the sun to get the kinks out. I only use the Sanuaro tyres and fitting them becomes an art. First time I really battled. 3rd and 4th time no problem. As they are bullet proof and last, I only go through this ritual a week before Sani each year.

 

PS. Buy a connector so the garage pump fits onto the wheel valve like a glove. Must have!!

No need, just remove core...allows more air

[Dirtracker]

No need, just remove core...allows more air

 

Each to their own methods. As long as you get them Geax's on!!

[sawystertrance]

Can't explain this but - hooohaaa - the second tyre went on last night and inflated without a hitch.

I tried without the valve core but the nozzle is just too loose. Thinking of devising some form of cover/seal made from an old tube to go over them to seal when inflating. Back to the story....

So I put the core back (sorry Rouxtjie but I had to try) and used the adapter to fit to my compressor. Held my breath, and......

It inflated! No problems whatsoever. Let it down and inflated again. Only one pop so I'm not sure if it's properly sealed but I let it down again, removed the core, poured in sealant, re-inflated and went to celebrate with a glass of Merlot. This morning it was still inflated so perhaps all is well.

I can only think that the first tyre gave trouble because I took them out out of the packaging and tried to fit straight away, so the tyres still had "packaging memory". The second one was lying flat in the back of my car for an extra 48 hours so perhaps that was the difference.

Anyway, I'm happy to have gone through all the pain and hope next time will be easier.

Cheers