IanJ Posted March 14, 2008 Share EWEP a hacker is a hacker and so is a doper ! Vuil-ryer jy maak my nou deurmekaar So se jy nou 'n doper is ook 'n hacker of 'n hacker is ook 'n doper ? Help 'n mens bietjie verstaan asseblief ......... You have to smoke the same stuff to be able to understand him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted March 14, 2008 Share Yes, let people use sport enhancing drugs if they want to, but let it be like applying for a licence. When you purchase your licence you either purchase a "clean licence" or a "drug licence" and you race and win according to your category. Those that want to OD themselves can be free to do so as long as they are prepared to accept the long term consequences and their medical aids (if they have one) are prepared to cover them as a special risk. We are all faced with an "enhancement drug" at some stage in our life. It's called choice whether it be choice of motor car or bicycle. But it is a choice that should be out in the open so that we all know exactly what we are dealing with and against what we are competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witrot Posted March 14, 2008 Share Jenna LeeThink if you do an article on this thread will be more interesting then your topic you have...... Any case. Making doping legal will only send the problem in a new direction for the competitors to increase some kind of advantage over the other........that can only be by doping more and "kill" the cyclist with the doctors and managerts sitting next to the road with big smiles on there faces to get the win.Organisations like WADA will always one step behind. But they must be there to try and make it clean and fair. But winning a grand tour and years later its proven your a doper.....what pride you have in that............NON. Now i'm off to go study a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewep Posted March 14, 2008 Share EWEP a hacker is a hacker and so is a doper ! Vuil-ryer jy maak my nou deurmekaar So se jy nou 'n doper is ook 'n hacker of 'n hacker is ook 'n doper ? Help 'n mens bietjie verstaan asseblief ......... OOOOOO gaats. You take your Salusa58 yesterday???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanJ Posted March 14, 2008 Share Jenna LeeMaybe you could do an interview with Chunky for your article. What about it Chunky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted March 14, 2008 Share But Cannabinoids is not a drug and should be removed from the WADA list . Actualy one of the most harmfull drugs to those with a predisposition to mental illness - permanent phsychosis and schizophrenia - to name a few "side effects". you would be supprised at the number of f'd up people thanks to good ol "harmless" grass i, um, hear, it, er, affects, your?um, short-term, um, whatyoumaycallit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Zone Posted March 14, 2008 Share But Cannabinoids is not a drug and should be removed from the WADA list . Actualy one of the most harmfull drugs to those with a predisposition to mental illness - permanent phsychosis and schizophrenia - to name a few "side effects". you would be supprised at the number of f'd up people thanks to good ol "harmless" grass i' date=' um, hear, it, er, affects, your?um, short-term, um, whatyoumaycallit?[/quote'] I think what you are looking for is, that it causes a short member - or is that short term memory loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikalot Posted March 14, 2008 Share can i have an opinion on something... from the past few pages it seems that people think that doping is rife in the pro peleton... have you guys seen the new ride mag and the article about young pros against doping, boonen, dekker, schleck, gerdemann, contador... im not saying they clean or doped,personally i would like to think they are clean,but what do you guys think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewep Posted March 14, 2008 Share can i have an opinion on something... from the past few pages it seems that people think that doping is rife in the pro peleton... have you guys seen the new ride mag and the article about young pros against doping' date=' boonen, dekker, schleck, gerdemann, contador... im not saying they clean or doped,personally i would like to think they are clean,but what do you guys think??[/quote'] Read Breaking the Chain by Willy Voet. Very interesting to see how these guys think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest colonel Posted March 14, 2008 Share NO CHANCE ATALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted March 14, 2008 Share But Cannabinoids is not a drug and should be removed from the WADA list . Actualy one of the most harmfull drugs to those with a predisposition to mental illness - permanent phsychosis and schizophrenia - to name a few "side effects". you would be supprised at the number of f'd up people thanks to good ol "harmless" grass i' date=' um, hear, it, er, affects, your?um, short-term, um, whatyoumaycallit?[/quote'] I think what you are looking for is, that it causes a short member - or is that short term memory loss so that why he's so small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barend de Arend Posted March 14, 2008 Share Legalise it' date=' it will be safer. The doping in the peleton is rife, and we fool ourselves by saying it doesnt happen. Someone pointed out that the test is behind the drug. Very true, and the two seem to go hand in hand. As for disallowing Doctors, and only allowing WADA doc's...bad idea. Remember, corruption exists anywhere. Eliminate the need for it...and it will dissapear. [/quote'] That's what the ASO is attempting by banning Astana. Follow the money: cyclists dope to win, to get a paycheck from a sponsor. The sponsor wants to be seen. The sponsor knows where the cyclists are (or can demand it -- wanna get paid? Tell me where you are) The sponsor can do random drug tests, and prescribe doctors. The sponsor wants to be seen. So the ASO bans entire teams which makes the sponsor sit up, and take notice. What's the bet Rabobank's marketing director called the cycling team's boss when the Rasmussen story broke? Once you've found the money, you make the money responsible. (I am fully aware the ASO is hypocritical with Astana vs. some other teams -- I'm not attempting to defend the ASO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenna-lee Posted March 14, 2008 Share Wow. I seem to have started a riot. Glad this topic has sparked some interest! Any of you interested in having your comments published in the article? PM me. You dont have to give your real name if you choose not to, but let me know that you've chosen not to. You guys or girls have some interesting takes on this matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_the_builder Posted March 14, 2008 Share Wow. I seem to have started a riot. Glad this topic has sparked some interest! You think that was a riot? Ask this lot whether Campag or Shimano is better. That's a riot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreZA Posted March 14, 2008 Share Let them use it. If they die it's one way to get rid of the "stupid" gene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSH82 Posted March 14, 2008 Share LOL @ Bob.... i dont think that will be a riot... that will be carnage.... but Campag is better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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