Mntboy Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Cant we get a group together to take over Tokai or more specifically the hiking/horse mtb Part of it. Kick san parks out and maintain whatever needs to be maintained with takings from the gate! I know its more easier said than done, but surely there must be a way in which a group can take over from themAside from a order of court, don't think that that'll ever be allowed to happen from SAN Parks side. However much we'd might want to do so. Would be helpful if one of Pain, Mayhem or Omega could comment on this. But I suspect this would be a no go. Edit: I see Omega has commented.
Eddy Gordo Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 That's a great idea but sadly I doubt that could even materialize. I imagine we'd have to negotiate some sort of long term lease. Sanparks won't even give that horrible coffee shop a lease longer than a year. Remember it's first and foremost a conservation area. Add to that the various user groups who all want access. And in a lot of cases exclusive access. Us included. Then there's the cost of the lease. As a business Tokai is terrible. You'd have to spend hundreds of thousands upgrading the trails and other infrastructure to the point where it could legitimately compete with the Jonkershoeks of the world. Their revenue collection is abysmal and the culture of non payment/bribing the oke at the gate is so prevalent that people speak openly about it on this forum. Safety is also a huge problem I don't know about you but I'd never get involved in something like that.I can understand all of the concerns, but lets talk about the car park area, the restaurant etc. If it were to be managed by another group, and overseen by whoever, but this group will be allowed to improve access control, by maybe having a gate at the parking and be allowed to do maintanance etc. Broken fencing and conservation can be seen to by san parks. Surely there must be some recipe that will work. I logically see it from a mtb point of view, but there is no reason to get horse, running and hiking clubs involved.
Guest Omega Man Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I can understand all of the concerns, but lets talk about the car park area, the restaurant etc. If it were to be managed by another group, and overseen by whoever, but this group will be allowed to improve access control, by maybe having a gate at the parking and be allowed to do maintanance etc. Broken fencing and conservation can be seen to by san parks. Surely there must be some recipe that will work. I logically see it from a mtb point of view, but there is no reason to get horse, running and hiking clubs involved. I'm just speaking off the top of my head here. Don't quote me.
kandui Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I'd say, contact the MTB Forum and request that they take the permit issue up with San Parks on behalf of the cycling community. That is, after all, is part of what the Forum is mandated to do.
Pappa Bear Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I'd say, contact the MTB Forum and request that they take the permit issue up with San Parks on behalf of the cycling community. That is, after all, is part of what the Forum is mandated to do. or get Carte Blanche to figure out why we are being milked
Mntboy Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 or get Carte Blanche to figure out why we are being milked Sorry but I think CB would swallow SAN Parks BS the way Bicycling did. [emoji185]
Flowta Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 think dr Evil was just bleating about price hikes on these cards the other day. must be across the board increases I think you may be rightFrom this threadhttps://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/144794-sanparks-permits/ Same prices on the Garden Route.Annual = R595 i thinkDay = R60 And then extra if you drive in or buy a Wild Card! Just another way to tax!
Freex Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 I just got a email from a friend of a friend... "Well done to to SAN Parks in raising the day permits fee and about time too. It really irks me to see the type of Riff Raff that the park attracts lately and I hope that this will deter them from visiting it in the future. As you know my estate is nearby and I there just too many of these testosterone bike types on the road. I just wish they raise the price even more and it may even the deter the middle class plebs from Meadowridge or Diepriver. Yours Reginald"
TopFuel Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 I just got a email from a friend of a friend... "Well done to to SAN Parks in raising the day permits fee and about time too. It really irks me to see the type of Riff Raff that the park attracts lately and I hope that this will deter them from visiting it in the future. As you know my estate is nearby and I there just too many of these testosterone bike types on the road. I just wish they raise the price even more and it may even the deter the middle class plebs from Meadowridge or Diepriver. Yours Reginald" He must be a hit at parties...
Flowta Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 He must be a hit at parties...Might be a hint of sarcasm in there.... but you never know
Mntboy Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Might be a hint of sarcasm in there.... but you never knowHard to say Flowta......... but I think that in this instance it may be safer to take this email at face value. Us cyclists aren't everyone's favorite people.
Flowta Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Hard to say Flowta......... but I think that in this instance it may be safer to take this email at face value. Us cyclists aren't everyone's favorite people. Hate to say Tokai isn't THAT upper crust EDIT: Trust me I used to live there
marko35s Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Hate to say Tokai isn't THAT upper crust EDIT: Trust me I used to live there So it has improved then?
Hairy Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 I just got a email from a friend of a friend... "Well done to to SAN Parks in raising the day permits fee and about time too. It really irks me to see the type of Riff Raff that the park attracts lately and I hope that this will deter them from visiting it in the future. As you know my estate is nearby and I there just too many of these testosterone bike types on the road. I just wish they raise the price even more and it may even the deter the middle class plebs from Meadowridge or Diepriver. Yours Reginald" He must be a hit at parties...Bloody golfer again wanting everything in sight to be under his control?
Flowta Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 So it has improved then? Yes, and you arrived in the area ;-)
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