spyster Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 I have come across a website at www.bellsbikeonline.com. Prices are in Rands but telephone numbers are for the UK. Seemed strange so I contacted their helpdesk. They claim to have a warehouse in SA, but operate out of the UK. They also have really good prices on, for example, a Cannondale Rusk 1 29er, 2014 model (R16.5k). I called them and they say I can pay, amongst others, via Paypal. This price is about R6k cheaper than anything I have come across in SA, which has me wondering, is this too good to be true? Has anyone ever used them and did you get what you paid for?
shaper Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Facebook, twitter, google+ and linkedin links do not work or are non existant... if it is too good to be true then it hormally is!... so be wary! Maybe ask if you can test ride one of the motorbikes they are selling Just google search any of the pics on the website and brings up plenty of other sites where the pics are also used. Motorcycle pics are from india http://post4city.com/vehicles/motorcycles Most definitely a scam
spyster Posted October 7, 2015 Author Posted October 7, 2015 Thanks Shaper - appreciate the effort!! Bastards!!!
Zariuss Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 I have been busy chatting to them live just now... 07/10/2015 @ 18:01 Me: 6:01 PMwhere are you based? indicatorSassy: 6:01 PMhi indicatorAgent: 6:02 PMHi, thanks for contacting us. Please excuse me for delays as I may be assisting other customers as well. indicatorSassy: 6:03 PMhow can i assist you indicatorMe:I would like to know where you are from and how your ordering system works on mtbs indicatorSassy: 6:07 PMits easy indicatorSassy: 6:07 PMyou can order online indicatorSassy: 6:08 PMwe can s hip from our warehouse in SA indicatorSassy: 6:08 PMif you shipping address i s in SA indicatorMe:that's why I want to know where you are from. I am not just gonna order from online if I do not have any backround on your business indicatorSassy: 6:08 PMwe provide tracking number same day payment is confirmed indicatorSassy: 6:09 PMand payment can be made securely with buyer"s protection using Paypal or credit card indicatorMe:where in SA is your warehouse based? I will collect from the warehouse indicatorSassy: 6:13 PMto your shipping address indicatorSassy: 6:13 PMit would be shipped indicatorMe:I would like to go to the warehouse and have a look at the bike and then I will make payment once I am there. indicatorSassy: 6:15 PMits not a show room o r a shop indicatorSassy: 6:15 PMits is in cape town indicatorSassy: 6:15 PMwe offer a 30days moneyback guarantee indicatorMe:I am defn not feeling comfortable with this. indicatorSassy: 6:16 PMpaypal ensures buyer"s protection from c heckout t o delivery indicatorMe:I have to pay R70k over for a bicycle I want and I am not even allowed to go and have a look at it. I also stay in Cape Town. Why would you not afford me the opportunity to go and have a look? indicatorMe:I have burnt my fingers before. thank you for trying to assist me but I will not be interested any further. Regards indicatorSassy: 6:18 PMyou welcome indicatorSassy: 6:18 PMyou have any other questions? That is the conversation copied and pasted.My suggestion as someone that burnt my fingers before, stay clear. Just my 2c
nonky Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.scamadviser.com/is-bellsbikeonline.com-safe.html http://www.scamvoid.com/check/bellsbikeonline.com I would avoid.
Zariuss Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Trustworthiness Unknown Vendor Reliability Unknown Privacy Unknown Child Safety Unknown That raises enough concerns for me
spyster Posted October 7, 2015 Author Posted October 7, 2015 Thanks guys, here is an extract from the scamadvisor report Nonky listed. Site is only 11 months old and virtually no social media traffic. Glad to say I will be giving this one a miss. The owner of the website is using a service to hide their identityhttp://www.scamadviser.com/images/note_alert.pngThis website is 316 Days oldhttp://www.scamadviser.com/images/note_alert.pngThe website expected life (365 days) is relatively short.Analysis Details:-Although this website appears to be based in United States there are other countries involved and you should review this information carefully and decide if it is as you expect.Although being a new website, does not make it un-trustworthy, as with any new business you should be extra vigilant and do your own research before placing an order or making an investment.This site is using an anonymous service - which prevents us from identifying the site owner. This can sometimes be just so that the owner does not receive spam, but be aware that many scam sites use this as a method to hide their identify. If this is an ecommerce site - we would suggest you confirm the business address with the website owners.The website has been newly registered with a short life expectancy, which follows the pattern used by many fraudulent and fake selling websites. Please be vigilant and take extra care before providing any payment information.
An3 Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 They also sell: 4-STORKE OUTBOARDS ...... stay away
Nkiliva Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Website not secuered...ready to steal transaction data like card numbers.
Nkiliva Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Website not secuered...ready to steal transaction data like card numbers.
Spoke101 Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.scamadviser.com/is-bellsbikeonline.com-safe.html http://www.scamvoid.com/check/bellsbikeonline.com I would avoid. Thanks guys, here is an extract from the scamadvisor report Nonky listed. Site is only 11 months old and virtually no social media traffic. Glad to say I will be giving this one a miss. The owner of the website is using a service to hide their identityhttp://www.scamadviser.com/images/note_alert.pngThis website is 316 Days oldhttp://www.scamadviser.com/images/note_alert.pngThe website expected life (365 days) is relatively short. Analysis Details:-Although this website appears to be based in United States there are other countries involved and you should review this information carefully and decide if it is as you expect.Although being a new website, does not make it un-trustworthy, as with any new business you should be extra vigilant and do your own research before placing an order or making an investment.This site is using an anonymous service - which prevents us from identifying the site owner. This can sometimes be just so that the owner does not receive spam, but be aware that many scam sites use this as a method to hide their identify. If this is an ecommerce site - we would suggest you confirm the business address with the website owners. The website has been newly registered with a short life expectancy, which follows the pattern used by many fraudulent and fake selling websites. Please be vigilant and take extra care before providing any payment information. 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David33 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 I have come across a website at www.bellsbikeonline.com. Prices are in Rands but telephone numbers are for the UK. Seemed strange so I contacted their helpdesk. They claim to have a warehouse in SA, but operate out of the UK. They also have really good prices on, for example, a Cannondale Rusk 1 29er, 2014 model (R16.5k). I called them and they say I can pay, amongst others, via Paypal. This price is about R6k cheaper than anything I have come across in SA, which has me wondering, is this too good to be true? Has anyone ever used them and did you get what you paid for?I joined this site just to reply to your thread, I also almost got scammed by this company, The wanted £2,386 GBP for a segway, I was very lucky as my bank flagged this up as fraud, I have tried to phone them but none of their phone numbers are correct, I have also spoke to them live and I got all the same answers as yourself, I I hope this thread helps others like it helped me
David33 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Chat TranscriptSat, 20 Aug 2016 03:28:45 MDT Angel Spencer (Angel Spencer) ClickDesk Messages You: Do have the guts to tell me why you tried to con £2,386 from me ? people like you make me sick, Try working hard for you money like other people do. Angel Spencer: hi Angel Spencer: how can i assist you today? You: tell me why you tried to con £2,386 from me ? people like you make me sick, Try working hard for you money like other people do. Angel Spencer: whats your order no? You: Order #900078 Angel Spencer: a moment please You: you have no intention of sending the good Angel Spencer: i see you ordered for the USED SEGWAY X2 Color: Black You: yes Angel Spencer: and your order total is 2,386 GBP You: yes Angel Spencer: and after discount Angel Spencer: your order is ready to be shipped but awaiting payment Angel Spencer: we tried contacting you but abortive You: my bank has stopped the payment as the fraud team flagged you up as scammers Angel Spencer: thats falacious Angel Spencer: thats not true You: you only want my card details and have no intention of sending the goods You: what is the address of your shop please Angel Spencer: and you belived them? You: what is the address of your shop and I will pay cash on collection Angel Spencer: thats crazy, you cant just believe without proof or evidence You: what is the address of your shop and I will pay cash on collection Angel Spencer: we shipping rom New York, California Angel Spencer: in United States This Chat was closed by agent and duration of chat is 43 mins, 48 secs
David33 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 You: well why do you say that you are based in Leed England Angel Spencer: we sold out Angel Spencer: in the UK Angel Spencer: credit card and paypal payment offers buyer"s protection Angel Spencer: you can also make payment using Paypal Angel Spencer: we have a 30days moneyback guarantee You: Not the way you do it, I checked You: why doesn't your phone numbers work Angel Spencer: what phone number did you try calling Angel Spencer: i apologize for the inconvenience that might have caused you You: the ones on your web site You: can you give me a UK phone number i can call Angel Spencer: a moment please let me lookup your personal consultant You: who is Lloyd James You: who is Lloyd James and Sarah Toms Angel Spencer: they work for the sales department You: why can't I contact him through him mobile number You: Call Lloyd James on 07036 287142 You: I don't know if your part of this scam, If your not you should find another job as the fraud squad are closing in on the company Angel Spencer: did you have the right number? You: you say that this company is based in the USA, yet it says on another site your based in Leeds England and on another site it says your based in Kodambakkam, Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India Angel Spencer: who is Lloyd James? Angel Spencer: we have various branches and warehouses Angel Spencer: is your bank only based in the UK? You: Lloyd James is the guy who deals with the sales You: do you have a shop in the UK ? Angel Spencer: we do have a warehouse in the UK You: well send the segway to the warehouse in the uk and I will colled with cash You: collect with cash Angel Spencer: it sold out in the UK Angel Spencer: you would be contacted once available Angel Spencer: You can contact +44-8442020753 You: sorry Not good enough, you want me to pay £2,386 GBP then you will contact me when its in stock Angel Spencer: we ship once payment is confirmed You: that phone number doesn't work Angel Spencer: and provide tracking number Angel Spencer: do you know about Paypal? You: well ship it to your UK warehouse then I will pay Angel Spencer: you would be contacted once its in stock You: all this is lies, you don't have any stock, the return address in the uk isn't even your address its owned by a different company who have never heard of you Angel Spencer: you can also make payment securely with buyer"s protection and moneyback guarantee using Paypal You: if strange how another customer was told you ship from your warehouse in SA Angel Spencer: we do have a warehouse in SA Angel Spencer: we do have a warehouse in SA Angel Spencer: Paypal protects you from checkout to delivery You: All you operators must read from the same sheet of paper as you saying the same things that was told to another customer You: Angel or whatever you real name is, How you sleep at night knowing that you are stealing peoples mony ? Angel Spencer: would you like your order cancelled? Angel Spencer: All our customers prefer using Paypal You: are you going to answer my question ? Angel Spencer: where you have options t file a dispute, escalate to a claim, even file a chargeback Angel Spencer: if anything ever goes wrong Angel Spencer: it seems you are a bogus buyer and not interested in purchasing. You: I know your a Fraud and scammer Angel Spencer: you can send an email or contact us at anytime. You: I will be passing the on to the fraud squad You: you don't reply to my emails Angel Spencer: we reply all emails within 24 hours You: I have been waiting over 24 hrs Angel Spencer: its not up to 24 hours you sent you last email and currently on weekend we have higher volume of traffic and emails You: well perhaps you could reply ? Angel Spencer: your email was replied yesterday and not yet 24 hours timeframe Angel Spencer: it seems you not ready to complete your order and only believes without seeing. You: my email was sent friday at 12-50 You: https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/154601-bells-bike-is-this-a-scam/ Angel Spencer: and whats the time now? Angel Spencer: not up to 24 hours You: you seem to be getting quite smart now with your answers You: You don't like being found out your fraudsters Angel Spencer: would you like me to cancel your order or you want to think about this? Angel Spencer: credit card and paypal payment is always preferred and recommended You: why are your Facebook, twitter, google+ and linkedin links do not work or are non existant. Angel Spencer: scammers and fraudsters accept western union and money gram
David33 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 ngel Spencer: and recently started selling to customers and pass this great savings for a limited time only. You: Fraudsters ask for you to use a form to send them all your bank details address and phone number You: great savings My great saving is the fact I didn't waste my money sending it to fraudsters You: you need shutting down Angel Spencer: do have a wonderful day Angel Spencer: wish you the best Dave You: that's right just runaway and yes cancel my order as you won't be getting any money from me
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