Stewart and Dreyer clock fastest times at Masters Marathon Champs

[Patchelicious]

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Let the very thing that makes them dope (public recognition) become the thing that drives them out of the sport and makes new riders to the sport think many times before doping.

 

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Finally somebody calls a spade a spade, I agree 100% that its EGO.

 

Prize money, sponsors etc are used as excuses.

[Erroli8a8]

the underlying issue is that humans will do anything to be better than the guy next to them (keeping up with the Joanses, winning, fame, power etc) when money is involved and spotlight, then the temptation is greater. this drive will never go away, so we have to find another solution.

 

in cycling or other team sports I think one solution would be. you play or ride as a team you die as a team. if one rider is caught doping then the entire team must suffer. this is harsh but it would force the team mates to keep tabs on his fellow team members as they effect his carrier.

[Hennie VR]

 

From now on I ledge to yell DOPER DOPER whenever I'm at a prize giving where a convicted doper steps onto a podium.

 

Let the very thing that makes them dope (public recognition) become the thing that drives them out of the sport and makes new riders to the sport think many times before doping.

 

That said - each to their own - I'm not going to prescribe to anyone how they should "deal" with dopers.

 

Buy yourself a big syringe. Fill it with pi$$ and spay the dopers on the podium whilst shouting Doper Doper!

 

Get a few people to join  you and I promise you won't ever see them on a podium again   

[eddy]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

Finally somebody calls a spade a spade, I agree 100% that its EGO.

 

Prize money, sponsors etc are used as excuses.

Exactly.

 

Therefore, if public humiliation, ongoing scorn and expulsion from the pack is the price of getting caught it may make people think twice as the price becomes too high.

[Eldron]

Exactly.

 

Therefore, if public humiliation, ongoing scorn and expulsion from the pack is the price of getting caught it may make people think twice as the price becomes too high.

 

Quadruple like!

 

I am not overly tar'n'feather about many things but convicted dopers make my blood boil. Get out. Just get out. You kakked all over the sport, cheated your fellow riders and now you expect you join back up and race against the very riders you cheated? How dare you?

[rouxtjie]

The caveat though is that the convictions need to be airtight, and the reality is that many of the doping cased have been flawed. From the athlete to the federation and anti-doping.

 

As far as events go. Ultimately it's upto the organisers, I may not always agree but I'm not going to resort to the same bullying as doping to pressure them into refusing specific people. J2C have taken the right action with the rule, I feel.  

 

I'm over wasting energy on the dopers themselves, we're so fixated on the athlete and creating a pitchfork fest we're actually ignoring the root issues behind the scenes that create a breeding ground for doping to thrive. There's a parralel with EFF style politics there.

 

Of course bring this up and immediately be accused of defending dopers and being disingenuous. Happened to me this morning, and when I pointed out the irony of the last part in the accusation the oke went into the typical aggro alpha douchebag tone. So much for reasoned discussion.

I am with you when it comes to convictions, you can't ban someone based on hearsay..the "airtight" part is a bit grey though...what is airtight? seems like its opinion rather than fact. If the doping agencies find someone guilty that should the end of the story or airtight if you will....Every doper(except ol DG) had some violin music / victimization  as part of their defense but in the end, they were still sanctioned ie guilty....they are dopers no matter which way you cut it. Basically it should end with the conclusion made by the doping agency. 

 

I appreciate the stance some of the races are taking and to show this I will support them, and them only...I think the root issue is money and recognition as pointed out by Eldron. If the consequence of doping is to be banned for life from races where you receive these it will surely act as a deterrent for okes thinking about it. 

[Patchelicious]

I am with you when it comes to convictions, you can't ban someone based on hearsay..the "airtight" part is a bit grey though...what is airtight? seems like its opinion rather than fact. If the doping agencies find someone guilty that should the end of the story or airtight if you will....Every doper(except ol DG) had some violin music / victimization  as part of their defense but in the end, they were still sanctioned ie guilty....they are dopers no matter which way you cut it. Basically it should end with the conclusion made by the doping agency. 

 

I appreciate the stance some of the races are taking and to show this I will support them, and them only...I think the root issue is money and recognition as pointed out by Eldron. If the consequence of doping is to be banned for life from races where you receive these it will surely act as a deterrent for okes thinking about it. 

I remember as a newbie cyclist, there was an interview on some streaming radio, with him.

 

If I recall correctly, he said that he would help guys fight doping or help SAIDS or something of the sorts....

 

What ever happened to him helping? Might be interesting to listen to that interview again with what we know now and everything elsse that transpired since then.

[rouxtjie]

I remember as a newbie cyclist, there was an interview on some streaming radio, with him.

 

If I recall correctly, he said that he would help guys fight doping or help SAIDS or something of the sorts....

 

What ever happened to him helping? Might be interesting to listen to that interview again with what we know now and everything elsse that transpired since then.

Ja...the help was on his terms...

[Patchelicious]

Ja...the help was on his terms...

Found this little gem...

 

"Commenting on the sentence George received, Galant says: “George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping. Hence he received the standard two-year ban, as there were no grounds for a reduction in this sanction.”

 

Whahahahaha knob

[Edgar]

Found this little gem...

 

"Commenting on the sentence George received, Galant says: “George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping. Hence he received the standard two-year ban, as there were no grounds for a reduction in this sanction.”

 

Whahahahaha knob

 

Yet got a reduced sentence for cooperating and assisting.

[TimW]

Yet got a reduced sentence for cooperating and assisting.

 

As far as I know (was told by somebody very definitely in the know) DG DID assist Saids with their investigations after his conviction. I would go as far as to say a couple of later convictions were in part due to his help.

 

Saids may not be perfect, but the bleating and whining from a couple of convicted dopers about how unfair Saids is just proves they must be doing something right !!

[Patchelicious]

As far as I know (was told by somebody very definitely in the know) DG DID assist Saids with their investigations after his conviction. I would go as far as to say a couple of later convictions were in part due to his help.

 

Saids may not be perfect, but the bleating and whining from a couple of convicted dopers about how unfair Saids is just proves they must be doing something right !!

If this happened, great. Wonder what it is he spilt the beans on?

[Eldron]

Whahahahaha knob

 

This to me is going too far. He's a doper not anything else. He could be the perfect father, brother, all round nice guy and awesome friend. It isn't our place to judge that portion of his life. Or call him names.

 

Action have consequences and in my opinion the consequence of doping should be removal from the sport.

 

Owen Hannie presenting Supersport super boils my piss. Week in and week out he and Andrew bang on about how bad doping is and right there sits a convicted doper who makes his living out of cycling - the very sport that he cheated.

 

Crazy crazy.

 

Personally I think the only way to stop doping is to reverse the very thing that got them into doping - public recognition. I think "dope shaming" will make them feel uncomfortable enough not to want to come back to races (as well as make wannabe dopers go "damn - I never want to be treated like that").

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

/rant over.

[Patchelicious]

This to me is going too far. He's a doper not anything else. He could be the perfect father, brother, all round nice guy and awesome friend. It isn't our place to judge that portion of his life. Or call him names.

 

Action have consequences and in my opinion the consequence of doping should be removal from the sport.

 

Owen Hannie presenting Supersport super boils my piss. Week in and week out he and Andrew bang on about how bad doping is and right there sits a convicted doper who makes his living out of cycling - the very sport that he cheated.

 

Crazy crazy.

 

Personally I think the only way to stop doping is to reverse the very thing that got them into doping - public recognition. I think "dope shaming" will make them feel uncomfortable enough not to want to come back to races (as well as make wannabe dopers go "damn - I never want to be treated like that").

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

/rant over.

Please, and I am asking with all sincerity, please do not selectively quote what I wrote.

 

I specifically called him a knob for saying: "George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping."

 

Nowhere did I say he was *** dad, brother, friend etc. So lets not pretend that I did.

 

You are right he is a doper, I agree.

Saying that he did it all by himself, and expecting us to believe him, makes him a knobhead too. You dont have to agree with me. Perhaps to satisfy you, lets rather say, "what a knobhead thing to say". Better?

[Eldron]

Please, and I am asking with all sincerity, please do not selectively quote what I wrote.

 

I specifically called him a knob for saying: "George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping."

 

Nowhere did I say he was *** dad, brother, friend etc. So lets not pretend that I did.

 

You are right he is a doper, I agree.

Saying that he did it all by himself, and expecting us to believe him, makes him a knobhead too. You dont have to agree with me. Perhaps to satisfy you, lets rather say, "what a knobhead thing to say". Better?

 

Fair enough. I just don't think name calling helps anything. It adds zero value.

[Patchelicious]

Fair enough. I just don't think name calling helps anything. It adds zero value.

Cool, I can respect that!